Autism

Once Upon a Time, I Tried to Recover My Son From Autism

Published January 03, 2009 @ 11:16AM PT

Autumn bike ride
It seems that our list of autism controversies is proving to be, well, controversial and, in particular, controversy #2, "recovery from autism." "Recovery" is described as distracting people "from attending to the needs of autistic individuals in the here and now" and as "neither possible, nor desirable."

Once upon a time, I tried to recover my son from autism, through educational therapies and biomedical treatments. As he's gotten older, I've come to think that focusing on recovery distracted me from truly helping Charlie and truly understanding Charlie. It's Charlie's education that is our main priority as we prepare him for his future, and especially an education that takes into account Charlie's learning style, his tremendous struggles in many areas, and his strengths.

My son Charlie was diagnosed with autism just around his 2nd birthday in 1999, and I soon found myself reading every possible book and website I could find, and, in particular, every book and website that talked about things I could do now to help Charlie. He didn't talk and he hit his head with his hands and he screamed and back arched when Jim and I tried to get him to stop staring at a certain stone wall in St. Paul, where we were living then. "He's a handful" was a pretty typical comment directed towards us. Books and websites about older children and adults and (a word that left me with a pit in my stomach) group homes were glanced at and pushed aside.

There seemed to be so many things that we could do. Charlie was so little---surely we ought to do everything we could so he could be mainstreamed and not have to be in special education?

Within a few months, Charlie was in an intensive ABA program, along with speech therapy and occupational therapy. We acquired the DAN! protocol, put Charlie on the gluten-free casein-free diet, bought all kinds of supplements from DMG to megavitamins (I'll never forgot the smell of strawberry-flavored SuperNuthera) to probiotics, ordered test kits from the likes of the Great Plains Laboratory (yes, I have donned the the latex glove included in the kit to get the samples). We did "anti-fungal therapy"; tried cranio-sacral therapy (on Staten Island; it was an experience worth an essay in itself); acquired some secretin, though it stayed in my parents' freezer. We read about chelation and concluded, this was also not for Charlie (Jim kept referring back to one sentence in a certain book about giving a child diflucan, with the result that the child "lies motionless" and appears dead).

I went to conferences about biomedical treatments and new teaching approaches and behavior therapy. And, in search of the best education for Charlie, we moved eight times in ten years. Charlie continued to do ABA sessions at home---in fact, we only finally stopped having him do home sessions in February of 2008.

Until Charlie was 5, I did daily ABA sessions with him. I'd been trained by our various ABA and verbal behavior consultants. Sitting at the little blue Little Tykes table in the two purple plastic chairs, we did flashcards and block imitation, tried Handwriting Without Tears, did Sara Johnson's oral-motor exercises with the straws and whistles. I set up activity schedules (following these books) and monitored Charlie's progress on the ABLLS, and followed this book closely. I blew a thousand bubbles, gave him rides around the house in a laundry basket (the same one that he now carries, overflowing with adult-size clothes, to the washing machine), and played Lucky Ducks and Goodnight Moon lotto and coaxed him to "use his words" and practice saying "ducks" and "moon" over and over (Charlie was around 8 when he could say the /l/ sound clearly.)

Charlie was around 5 when I started to let go of “recovery." When I thought about “recovering” Charlie from autism, I realized that I wasn’t thinking so much about what Charlie needed as what I thought I had to do as a parent. I thought I had to do everything in my power to make it possible for him to not be in special education, to go to college, to live on his own—-if I could make sure of this (as I used to think), I could go to my grave in peace. When Charlie was 5, he needed 1:1 teaching, he couldn’t read, he still couldn’t really talk, and we’d done all those educational and other (as in biomedical) "treatments" I noted above. Our focus shifted to the day by days of teaching and being, and listening to Charlie.

I think at that point I realized that the “autism wars” were inside of me. However much I don’t see eye to eye with others about causes or treatments, the population of people who talk and think about autism all the time is hardly everyone. While there seem to be vast differences of opinion about "treating" and "preventing" autism, we’re more in this together than it might seem, or than we might wish it to seem. Jobs and housing; job coaches and support staff, for those who will need it---these are concerns most of us have. It's not everyone that I can talk to about why we need to set up a Special Needs Trust for Charlie; why I just can't hire any friendly college student to babysit; why I'm trying to learn as much as I can about Medicaid and why I really hope Obama is going to carry out his plan to empower people with disabilities, which proclaims:

"We must build a world free of unnecessary barriers, stereotypes, and discrimination .... policies must be developed, attitudes must be shaped, and buildings and organizations must be designed to ensure that everyone has a chance to get the education they need and live independently as full citizens in their communities."

Once I had an image of what Charlie “should” be. I wasn’t keeping my eyes focused on the real boy in front of me, the boy who likes bikes over books, and jumping into really rough ocean waves rather than curled up on the couch with one of those books. Now it's to the future I'm looking, a future where that "world free of unnecessary barriers, stereotypes, and discrimination" exists, where parents don't have to scramble and move to get their kids the education they need, and where Charlie can, indeed, live as independently as he can, as a full citizen in his community.

In such a world, I---and more than a few others---could indeed live happily ever after.

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  1. Kev Leitch

    I'm one of your 'few others' :) Great post.

    Recovery is a word more slippery than a frog. I ask people who think vaccines cause autism what recovery means and they say 'removing the toxins' and being 'cured' of autism. Indeed, this is the wordage used by Jenny McCarthy.

    However, during the process of 'recovery' when one asks again, the definition changes to 'addressing the biomedical issues'.

    The dictionary definition that I think most people consider 'recovery' to mean is:

    2. A return to a normal condition.

    Does this mean autism is abnormal? That seems a pointless and defeatist view to me.

    However, what does it mean for our community members determined to 'recover' their children? Have they returned to a normal condition? I am told there are thousands that have.

    Where?

    Where are they?

    It would be childs play for any competent doctor to write up and submit a Case Study for review to a high quality journal. Doing this would swing the weight of evidence firmly their way - especially if there are indeed 'thousands'.

    Talk is cheap when it comes to the word 'recovery' and claims of recovered thousands. Where's the evidence?

    Posted by Kev Leitch on 01/03/2009 @ 11:57AM PT

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  3. Daisy Okay

    Acceptance is a much stronger concept  -- and more difficult -- than recovery.

    Posted by Daisy Okay on 01/03/2009 @ 12:03PM PT

  4. Yesenia R

    I am happy that you have been chosen to lead this blog. However, I dont always agree with your viewpoints, but thats besides the point. Recovery can mean different things to different people, and many children are capable of "recovering", and because of that possibility I dont think its fair for you to impose your results on others. Your results have nothing to do with the results that other families, like mine can & have achieved.
    My idea of recovery since the diagnosis, was to balance Jeremy to the point where he would be able to absorb & develop that which to others comes naturally.I came across a clinic in Scottsdale, AZ named ENVITA MEDICAL CENTER. A few friends in a business circle I am involved in had taken their children there and their kids had improved dramatically in their Speech & Social Skills. That is all I was looking for. I think MOST parents are not really looking for a cure, they are looking to be able to make a connection with their child. I got that and so much more with the treatment that was offered there to us. Within days, Jeremy was making more eye contact, holding his gaze while looking at me, began pointing. In a matter of 4 months Jeremy had recovered the 10 or so words he had lost in the regression. Flash forward to 2009, on New Years Day, Jeremy, who is 3.5 yrs old, a kid who a yr ago couldnt say one word at all, said to his grandma, "abuela, lets go choo choo train". I dont care how little evidence anyone has on "recovery treatments", I am glad I just read your posts for that, as reading material and frankly to motivate me to continue with his treatment. Had I listened to you, I would not get those breakout moments Jeremy is having each day. Maybe since you probably know more people than me, you can look up the following treament its by SEROYAL UNDA, the name is "Brain Protocol Harmonizing Kit". Is Jeremy cured? No, but he is definetely in a much better state now than he would be if I would have just done the basic things you talk about. I take advantage of the preschool, therapies & the biomedical therapies,  and to me and many more people out there, that combination works. I think it sucks you knock it down, considering that you walked down that route before yourself. Anyhow, congrats on getting this new blog. I will keep reading, as I am glad its an issue being looked into by our new administration.

    Posted by Yesenia R on 01/03/2009 @ 12:33PM PT

  5. Lia Costalas

    hello, I would like to just say.. that as it is autism roulette with vaccinations, it is a recovery roulette, we don't know who will recover and who won't. But , there is sufficient evidence out there that biomedical does work in various ways. Each way is different for each child with autism. Children can and do recover to various degrees, many have full recovery. My son is in partial recovery and doing well. Don't disregard the harding working parents and kids with autism who see results from bio medical.. they are OUR EVIDENCE that we need. Please don't give an impression to the world that autism is just something we parents have to accept. I will never accept the autism, I accept my son. Peace, Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/03/2009 @ 12:45PM PT

  6. Ken Wickiser

    Cool post.  Acceptance doesn't means defeat or giving up. 

    Acceptance doesn't necessitate abandoning supports, assistance, or even meds. 

    I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Kristina is talking about the blind fervor that some have used and abused to fit a square peg into a round hole.  I know I was caught up in the race to get through the magic window.

    Posted by Ken Wickiser on 01/03/2009 @ 12:59PM PT

  7. Ken Reibel

    Envita in Scottsdale, AZ, is run by a naturopath named Dino Prato.

    Posted by Ken Reibel on 01/03/2009 @ 01:16PM PT

  8. Bonnie Sayers

    I have some of the books you refer to.  Recovery was never something I exolored or thought about.  I accepted my kids from the initial diagnosis and never did go through those emotions on the wheel they say parents do like guilt and grief.  I think if you are around disabiltiies from a young age it is different. 

    Posted by Bonnie Sayers on 01/03/2009 @ 01:34PM PT

  9. Denise  junk

    Lets begin with a very scientific and logical premises. To measure the success of an intervention, you must know what development would happen with out such intervention....

    1) most individuals develop new skills and abilities over time . Developmental "delay" implies that some development will happen
    with time .

    2) all individuals on the spectrum are unique in how far they will develop and what their potential will be in developing .

    3) little if any research has been done on current autistic adults to understand how/why their development has occured or what might have triggered regressions of abilities over the life span .

    My belief is that adult autistics ARE the missing piece of the puzzle but overlooked as scientist focus on genetic markers, treatment,causes and cures . Talk about "putting the cart" before the horse...which results in exactly what they now have...the result of going nowhere fast .

    The first step is in admitting that autism was not invented in 1994, when it first made it into the DSM . We have always been here but more hospitable environments...family farms, apprenticeship learning, factory work, families that supported "eccentric aunt or uncle", allowed many of them to survive ...the less fortunate ended up with psychiatric Dxes and locked up in institutions or living under bridges...(where I once was and some are still .)

    I do believe there are some environmental toxins that our immune systems are reacting to and that may be causing some co-morbid conditions but the neurology labeled as autism has been with us for a very long time . Until scientist admit this reality, progress ill be very slow as they focus on the bark instead of the forest...(how autistic of them) .

    Posted by Denise junk on 01/03/2009 @ 01:54PM PT

  10. Jenny Alice

    Thank you Kristina. You are once again a calm voice in the politics of autism. I am so glad you will be writing here.
    I often feel pressure to find 'treatments' for my son so *other people* can feel like I am doing something because his autism makes *them* feel bad. I have most recently tried to explain that he is not sick, so asking if he is "getting better" is not appropriate. He is developing, and growing and learning, it's just over a longer time-line, and in different ways than we expected our child would develop. 

    Posted by Jenny Alice on 01/03/2009 @ 02:58PM PT

  11. I'm very thankful (and part of this ought to be attributed to your outspoken support of education over biomedical "interventions" - I've been a reader for quite some time) that my wife and I have never thought about trying to "recover" our son, who was recently diagnosed. We have been getting him educational interventions for 18 months now - speech language pathology, occupational therapy, developmental therapy - and I wouldn't have wanted to spend any of our (already limited) resources trying to do anything that would take the focus off trying to help him learn better.

    I also think (like Kev Leitch above) that the focus on recovery is to suggest that some hidden demon lies within our children that needs to be exorcised, and I cannot sympathize with this feeling. When I look at my son, I do not see a child "possessed" with autism - I see a child who needs my help to be able to learn and grow in the world. Maybe it's this attitude that makes me such a strong believer in education (well, being an educator helps, too), but I can't imagine having such feelings about my son. If someone has some insight into the "recovery" psychology, I'd be willing to listen.

    Posted by Galen Broaddus on 01/03/2009 @ 03:54PM PT

  12. Stan Stanfield

    The government really needs to get a better grip on this ASD matter than just 'acceptance'.  The numbers have increased - as the number of school systems around the country that can't cope with the financial and staffing needs can attest to - and these kids are going to age out into dependency on the social security system, if all stops are not pulled out in getting to the bottom of the phenomenon.  And that includes developing new biomedical interventions, and brain-training techniques like the Tomatis Method, and so forth.  It is not a time for settling for the status quo, and just accepting these kids as they are.  That's not fair to them, and it's not fair to their carers (who in many cases have sacrificed their own lives to the job, and in any event will at some point not be able to continue to do it), and it's not fair to 'society', who will have to pick up the tab.  The government must pay thorough attention to this matter, and act accordingly.  Time's a'wasting. 

    Posted by Stan Stanfield on 01/03/2009 @ 04:05PM PT

  13. Lia Costalas

    I agree that the government must make autism a priority, there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic. Autism was a rare occurance at one time. Now, the school districts cannot keep up with the huge surge of pre schoolers on the spectrum. If my child had cancer, I would do anything to get him treatment. My son has autism and I will do what I can to help him continue his recovery. What is the difference? As far as resorting to a "good education", open your eyes, there are a shortage of teachers with good training in autism. I have had to countless of times, teach teachers how to teach my son. When teachers graduate today, they have no clue. My son is older, 17, so I have been around the block a few times. For you who have very young children, get ready for a huge rude awakening. Children with autism feel sick, they are in pain, the goal of biomedical is to help rebuild the immune system, healing the gut, and helping to establish good bowel function and to chelate to rid the body of mercury and other toxins.   ABA is only helpful when the child feels better enought to learn.  Again, let's not mis inform any readers of this blog that autism is genetic. peace, Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/03/2009 @ 04:57PM PT

  14. Denise  junk

    I'm all for freedom of speech but I wouldn't join a vegan group to try and sell my hamburgers . Perhaps I just had better social skills training?

    If someone really feels that autistics need a "cure", perhaps they can preach to each other on Autism Speaks and let those who desire another path of helping autistics get on with that goal ?

    I believe that there is a definite genetic component to autism and think there is enough current research to back this up. There would be more if scientist "bothered" to make it a priority of researching adult autism and assistance for adults in getting diagnosis but then they might actually offer to help them ? Many adults don't learn about their own autism until their children are diagnosed . Just because you don't have  family history of autism(that you are aware of...you might want to check into some of those weird uncles?), doesn't mean there is no genetic connection...I think they refer to that as "Theory of Mind" issue but don't feel bad about it....many Nt's appear to suffer from that illness when it comes to autistic minds .

    Posted by Denise junk on 01/03/2009 @ 05:16PM PT

  15. Lia Costalas

    hello again, I would like to add another concept here for those who accept and not fight for their child, remember Lorenzo's oil? the movie, the child and the parents who would not accept, who moved mountains and went against the slow as a snail medical establishment.. because "time was awasting"... I would call their treatment bio medical.. no drugs, nothing but two kinds of oils. I never heard of sharp , unfair public statements and comments against the parents of this boy. For what they did and they set a protocol for future boys with this disease. No, they are not cured, they are in recovery. So, tell me, what is the difference between US and these parents of Lorenzo? I know that this boy made it to adult hood and passed away, when they started the oil, too much damage had occurred, but thousands of boys were started on it young and living typical lives but must take the oil for the rest of their lives. Why are the parents of children with autism are given such a hard time? The world rejoiced with the discovery of the protocol , so why is the world showing massive resistance to autisms' biomedical protocol? peace, Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/03/2009 @ 05:25PM PT

  16. Lia Costalas

    hello, again.. on my last post, I know that Lorenzo had a genetic disorder, the point I was making, was that the parents had the passionate drive to find a way to help him. They did not just accept.. Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/03/2009 @ 05:28PM PT

  17. Lia Costalas

    hi.. as far as autism speaks.. they support the idea that autism is genetic.. so taking it up with them has no purpose. Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/03/2009 @ 05:35PM PT

  18. Denise  junk

    Although it is true that I have relied on social service interventions in my life for anxiety, depression and chemical dependency...I have never received any assistance for my AS . Should we cure all the mentally ill and chemically dependent by finding the genetic marker and aborting them before they are born to be such inconveniences to society ? (That was rhetorical, I really am afraid to hear your answer) .

    If your going to cure me of my inability to read monkey language, (also known as non-verbal communication)...perhaps you could also cure the people who refuse to use verbal language to communicate more effectively .

    Before you cure me of my obsessions...perhaps you can consider curing the people in society who are obsessed with buying the biggest house or most expensive car just to impress others ?

    Before you cure me of my lack of desire to socialize as often as you deem appropriate...You can cure those who use socializing as a way to manipulate the vulnerable to make themselves feel more important or get something from them ?

    Before you decide that my staring at some moving lights is inappropriate use of time...you can cure those who waste hours watching football games,soap operas and reality TV ?

    I am not a useless human drain of resources...I am a potential that was never realized because "some people" decided that being like them was more important then being the best me I could be. I and other autistics are a resource that to others have over looked while trying to cure us of our disdain for daily showers or hand-flapping .

    Before you even "go there", I do realize that I am on the high end of the spectrum (based on your criteria), but I can't give you my bio here to prove what a long and difficult time it was to get here. What I can tell you, from the perspective of an autistic is that some of the cures are worse then the supposed "disease"
    and it hurts me to think of all the children suffering to "get better" .

    Posted by Denise junk on 01/03/2009 @ 05:37PM PT

  19. Lia Costalas

    hello... it was said.. let's hear from some adult autistics and their experiences. Well.. Read about Donna Williams and her struggles with autism and food allergies , sensory issues . Donna is on biomedical instead of the terrible drugs she used to take. She is gluten, casein free and wears the Irlen lenes to help her visual perception. She is living proof that biomedical makes a huge difference... peace, Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/03/2009 @ 06:12PM PT

  20. Nate's mom

    Let's get the funding for biomedical studies.

    The problem is there has to be a group that doesn't get biomedical for comparison, but by reading this website, it seems like there are plenty of parents who are comfortable with their child's state of illness, so they can be the control group.

    Another problem is modern PR/legal tactics that deny/destroy and perform character assassination on any expert to disprove their science. Anyone can peer review and give an opposing opinion to discredit the proof. I see people here attacking us without knowing our stories. Why do they have to attack? What do they fear?

    You know what? I don't need the science or other people's opinions. My kid is speaking full sentences, wrestling with his father right now on the floor, and it doing terrific on biomed.

    The great thing about this country is we can choose. It put me in the poor house, but my kid will probably start kindergarten and I won't need to discuss an IEP with the SD-well, maybe just to keep him on his healthy diet.

    Posted by Nate's mom on 01/03/2009 @ 06:15PM PT

  21. Lia Costalas

     hello, I can't imagine the "cures"... you say cause worse symptoms. I can assure you, these children feel better.. we don't use the word cure.. why do you? we are not trying to cure. I don't see Donna Williams "suffering" because she is doing biomedical.. she tours when she can, writes and enjoys life. peace, Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/03/2009 @ 06:16PM PT

  22. Harold L Doherty

    "It seems that our list of autism controversies is proving to be, well, controversial and, in particular, controversy #2, "recovery from autism"

    Surely you are not surprised that controversy resulted from your one sided list of Neurodiversity's ten commandments?

    Posted by Harold L Doherty on 01/03/2009 @ 06:19PM PT

  23. Kristina Chew

    They are called controversies for a reason!

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/03/2009 @ 06:23PM PT

  24. Cliff Schumacher

    Ah, well! I recover from some injuries that kept me from the computer (the recovery of one just about coincided with the other), and you've moved from AV! I'll adjust to the new set-up soon... I think.

    Anyway, it's good to see that you're still at it. It's always good to have a voice that is injecting some sanity into the "autism discussion", whatever one might take that to be.

    Cliff

    Posted by Cliff Schumacher on 01/03/2009 @ 06:50PM PT

  25. Harold L Doherty

    Yes they are called controversies for a reason Dr. Chew. That is why I found your opening comment disingenuous.

    More imporantly the summary of those controversies was heavily one sided on the Neurodiversity side to which you subscribe. Cliff and your usual ND friends will offer their gratuitous assessments of the "sanity" you offer. Fine. But you know there are other views out there. You know that while you no longer seek recovery of your son most parents fight on.

    I am disappointed that with your educational background you could not see your way to a more balanced presentation of autism issues then the narrow perspective to which you adhere.

     

    Posted by Harold L Doherty on 01/03/2009 @ 07:43PM PT

  26. Kristina Chew

    @Cliff, I miss AV a great deal. I hope I can make something of things here.
    @Harold, always great to be in discussion and look forward to more of it.
    @Nate's mom, have you been following the suggestions for research initiatives in the Strategic Plan developed by the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee? There's a summary here:
    http://www.autismvox.com/1-billion-initiatives-on-autism/

    There are calls for research into biomarkers for autism.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/03/2009 @ 07:55PM PT

  27. Moi Bloggg

    Every autie is different.   As such, every autie's needs are different.  That's pretty much the same as everyone, isn't it?

    We tried some of the interventions, but my main purpose was to make sure that Bug could lead his best life possible.    Fast ForWord worked for the talking, but I didn't consider him "recovered" just because he could talk. 

    As for everything else - GfCf, DMG, etc. - none of that worked much at all.  So most of what we did was geared toward education.  (Kristina already knows this.)   Whatever we can teach them is what makes them free.  And that's pretty much the same for everyone in creation.

    I can say that Bug would not "desire" to be different than he is.  And isn't that the main thing?   Not what we want, but what they want?

    Posted by Moi Bloggg on 01/03/2009 @ 08:04PM PT

  28. Rebecca Billings

    My son was diagnosed with autism 4 1/2 years ago. I'm traveling the road Kristina describes and the biggest gripe I have is the overwhelming amount of hostility and anger that exists in this "autism community." I've been suspicious of all the zealous biomedical folk I've met, but some of it has helped my son feel better. I've agonized over abandoning ABA sessions that were helping my son to speak, but turning him from an affectionate, sometimes-social, happy kid into a child who cried everytime there was a knock on the door. Though my two cents matter little in this debate, I am just one mom who TOTALLY gets that my kid is awesome AND who wants to make sure that if the world doesn't get their act together by the time I'm gone, he'll be able to find his place in it somewhere. I'll keep reading, Kristina. Thanks for writing.

    Posted by Rebecca Billings on 01/03/2009 @ 09:10PM PT

  29. Kristina Chew

    "if the world doesn't get their act together by the time I'm gone, he'll be able to find his place in it somewhere."
    thanks for that, Rebecca-----most parents I've known over the years seem guided less by any kind of "ideology" and altogether by love and hope and wanting to do their best for their child. Sometimes I think all the hostility and emotion in the exchanges is generated by the anxiety we parents feel; by our desire to help and make things all right for our kids. Hope your son is doing well----thank you for reading and please let us know what you think!  many regards----

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/03/2009 @ 11:12PM PT

  30. Scott White

    Two great books on the subject of autism-

    Through the Eyes of Aliens, by Jasmine Lee O'Neill
    and
    Thinking In Pictures, by Temple Grandin


    These two books led to my my own "discovery" as an autistic. Which is funny, because I was a Sped student, and I'm currently a Sped teacher. But, that's another story.

    I agree with Denise- adults are the key. We've "been there, done that". The world needs people who see things the way we do!

    I don't want to be cured. I just want to be accepted.


    thanks-

    Posted by Scott White on 01/04/2009 @ 03:09AM PT

  31. Catriona Johnson

    Great blog -- I too have walked the journey and dislike the focus on a cure or recovery.  The DD Act states that "Disability is a natural part of the human condition."  If that is true why are we trying to cure people with disabilities.  Some years ago I had an epiphany about why parents of children with autism are so tied up with the cure and causality.  They get this short window of time when they think things are "normal" and then they have to make a huge readjustment in the context of a disability-negative society.  Think about our culture -- we want everyone to be cured at the end of the movie.  For parents that think vaccines caused their chilld's autism, they can't subscribe to the idea that disability (and autism) is a natural part of the human condition.  It is "caused" by something, so they can't come to acceptance and seek the "cure" and blame the vaccine industry, the environment, etc.  The assumption about autism is just so different and is antithetical to a civil rights view of autism in which celebrates diversity and difference and where the focus is rights, inclusion, and services and supports.

    Posted by Catriona Johnson on 01/04/2009 @ 08:37AM PT

  32. Stan Stanfield

    I'd like to clarify something from my pov, and from postings above:
    (1) I took this Change.org blog & site to be an aspect of the Obama administration's 'take' on the various subject areas it has introduced for positions.  I was concerned that that incoming administration seemed to be taking such a one-sided position on the subject of ASD.  I did not mean to intrude on a blog that has a different pov on this subject from mine;I just wanted to engage in the dialogue.
    (2) As for believing that "there is a definite genetic component to autism," Denise: I agree.  But my research into the matter has led me to a source who says that the genes associated with autism code for glutamate (= synapse formation); and that causes problems, one of which - besides the fact that glutamate is an excitotoxin, causing its own damage to the cranial nerve systems - is that glutamate interferes with/lowers the levels of glutathione, which is the substance that helps the body eliminate heavy metals, including mercury.  And mercury can come from fish, the air (coal-fired power plants in particular), dental amalgam fillings - and vaccines.  (And some vaccines also CONTAIN glutamate/MSG.  Go figure.)  So both 'camps' are right, to some extent, if we can limit the debate for right now to just two of them, ie, 'genetic or environmental'.
    The person who has done the study on glutamate is named Carol Hornlein (msgtruth.org), a former food process engineer.  She points out that glutamate is also high in gluten and casein, thus the value (for some) in GF/CF diets.  Her recommendations:* remove glutamic acid from vaccines;* space out vaccines & provide antihistamines with them to reduce inflammation;* limit glutamic acid and aspartic acid in the diet for children below the age of 7 who test positive for the autism genes (like they do for kids with PKU);* limit glutamic acid, MSG  and aspartame in the diet of anyone with the autism genes; and speaking of aspartame:* remove it (half of which the body converts to glutamate) fromALL children's medicines and vitamins.  (And check other food labels!) 
    Thus the point that we should not just 'accept' our children in this day and age 'just the way they are'.  The way they are has been modified by people who didn't take into account all the possibilities of what they were doing to us, and then to our children.  And those people are very powerful; thus the difficulty there has been to get all of this sort of info out to the public, and make the necessary changes.  Speaking of a site labeled Change.org...
    P.S. In case anyone wants proof of the autism gene discovery:www.medpagetoday.com/Neurology/Autism/tb/5082   This peer-reviewed article states: 'The candidate genes are involved in the trans-synaptic transportation of glutamate, a major excitatory neurotransmitter."    
    Let's pull together, folks.  We have a lot of work to do.  We shouldn't be wasting it fighting amongst ourselves.  There are bigger fish to fry.  And fry they should.

    Posted by Stan Stanfield on 01/04/2009 @ 08:44AM PT

  33. Elizabeth Hensley

    I have Asperger's syndrome. I agree with the Neanderthal theory. (Google Autism and Neanderthals) I think we are indeed the descendants of the bigger brained, more creative, less socially skilled Neanderthals who invented just about everything that ancient man thought of as culture and tech: Cave painting, burying their dead with flowers, flutes, ocarinas and the domestication of the dog the sheep, the goat and I think the horse as well as much herbal medicine including some good for the kind of digestive problems we have.. But one thing they never invented was sewing. They would throw animal skins over themselves when they wanted to keep warm.  So I think we were meant to be. But I don't think we were meant to be sick. I love my quirky brain despite the problems not being able to read and respond to facial expressions has brought me and the even bigger problems being face blind has brought me. It cost me medical care for one. I didn't figure out what I was until I was 49 years old. I was one of these misdiagnosed with schizophrenia. I actually have hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue, gluten intolerance and central sleep apnea but I could get no help for those until a clinic lost my medical records with what it said about my brain and I could start fresh. After that I was treated with a little more respect. Doctors started to run tests they didn't bother to before when they just thought I was crazy and I started to get some real help. However because of my gifts which you can read at http://www.proofgodexists.org and http://www.poemsofdarwinsgod.org  I would keep my brain. But I'd trade my on fire gut with a neurotypical any second in the century.

    Posted by Elizabeth Hensley on 01/04/2009 @ 09:51AM PT

  34. Elizabeth Hensley

    I would like to ad a comment about what Stan said in his comment. He is absolutely correct. MSG and other Glutamates are most likely our biggest problem. I have melt downs I can't prevent when I ingest MSG. I don't if I can avoid it.  MSG and other glutamates hides under 30 different names in our food supply including natural flavoring which may or may not be MSG. The FDA needs to not allow this but they do. His idea to give antihistamines with vaccinations to limit the brain inflammation that cuts off oxygen to the brain is a wonderful idea. And glutamate is in EVERY live vaccine. Parents often notice their children regressing after that particular kind of shot though they all can do it. It is ironic that glutamine is recommended as a food supplement for people with gut problems. On that I had insomnia and melt downs to the point of being psychotic for the four terrible weeks I was on it.

    Posted by Elizabeth Hensley on 01/04/2009 @ 10:11AM PT

  35. Kerry Cohen

    Kristina, as always, you and I share similar views. And, Lia, I take issue with your claim that "all" autistic people are in pain or have gut issues. My son has none, and he is most definitely not in pain. I'd like to share my essay that's in this month's Portland Monthly that has some similar ideas as the ones you note in here, Kristina. It's also the basis of my next memoir:

    http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/issues/current-issue/articles/p-towndiary0109/

    Posted by Kerry Cohen on 01/04/2009 @ 10:22AM PT

  36. Robert  Adams

    Focusing on causation is a distraction.   My mom realizes this now, after years of biomed done to me to no avail.  What she thought helped me turned out to be just me progressing along a different path.  She was told I was retarded and struggled to get me educated in an appropriate environment.

    Parents, please stop focusing on causation, help with the things Kristina has outlined here.

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/04/2009 @ 10:47AM PT

  37. Kristina Chew

    @Elizabeth Hensley, thanks so much for those links and for writing about that theory.
    @Kerry Cohen, thanks for linking to your article----look forward to your next memoir!
    @Stan, Yes, I had heard of MSG and autism----wrote about that here:http://www.autismvox.com/sure-lets-blame-msg-too/

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/04/2009 @ 10:51AM PT

  38. Lia Costalas

    hello...kerry.. just because your son is not in pain... don't mislead others reading this that all children with autism have no pain. I don't think thousands and thousands of parents lie out there.. look at hanna poling's parents... the chronic bowel and gut issues... the screaming... that is pain... where have you been? don't you read what parents write about? my son had chronic diahrrea ... when he was a baby and into toddlerhood... I am glad you son is fine.. but don't mislead the public... Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/04/2009 @ 11:41AM PT

  39. Kerry Cohen

    Interesting that you would read my argument against your claim that all autistic people are in pain, or are anything at all, as misleading the public. How is my claim about my one son misleading the public, and then your claim that all autistics are in pain isn't? I'm not arguing that there aren't autistic people with gut issues. I am arguing that they don't all have them. And I'm also arguing that it is frankly misleading and catastrophizing to suggest they are.

    Posted by Kerry Cohen on 01/04/2009 @ 11:51AM PT

  40. Robert  Adams

    "hello...kerry.. just because your son is not in pain... don't mislead others reading this that all children with autism have no pain."
    I never had pain, but I could use some help with anxiety.  I think anxiety is often misinterpreted as "pain".  I don't think parents are lying, but I do think many parents misinterpret anxiety as pain.
    I use to scream, not from pain but from anxiety.  I also, according to my mom, use to put my own poop on the walls, bathroom towels, and just about everything else.  I think it was because I thought it normal to scratch down there and I guess I didn't like that stuff on my hands.  Who knows.  One day, don't remember when, I just stopped doing those things and started to go to the bathroom and wipe again and flush.  Who the heck knows why I did what I did or when it happened.  I do remember that my cubby at school had several changes of clothes.  I can remember this because I use to love Scooby Doo.  I remember being particularly upset at not having my Scooby Doo shirt one time.  I remember my aid saying that my mom forgot to pack it.  I spent the rest of the day with the resource officer and we had fun playing on the playground all day.  I must have been kicked out of class that day.

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/04/2009 @ 11:55AM PT

  41. stork dok

    Wonderful post, Kristina!  So glad to see you still blogging.  I got a little worried when your posts on AutismVox stopped!

    Posted by stork dok on 01/04/2009 @ 12:04PM PT

  42. Kerry Cohen

    Robert, thanks for contributing your thoughts. My son also has anxiety and we started him on an anti-anxiety med to help him with it. The change has been phenomenal. He was always a happy guy, but now it's also easier for him to deal with transitions. For what it's worth, he was also a poop smearer and then once he potty trained he stopped. I really appreciate hearing what you have to say, and boy do I agree with you regarding the fact that focusing on causation is distracting to actually seeing who a person is and what they need.

    Posted by Kerry Cohen on 01/04/2009 @ 12:07PM PT

  43. Robert  Adams

    Kerry,
    I think that's great.  Many "experts" don't understand that anxiety is a cause for many of the issues autistics face.  I'm all for meds if they help with anxiety.  There should be a cure for anxiety and that is certainly something I would support 100%.  Some autistics in my support group have a worse case of anxiety than I do and they too wish they could be cured of this.  I think parents should be required at diagnosis to go to an adult autistic support group in their area to learn about the issues facing autistics.  

    I've been in my current support group for 6 years.  Each year, a younger generation joins.  Unlike me, some were diagnosed with autistic disorder in childhood.  Depression and suicide are big topics in the group.  Most attribute these feelings to low self esteem, joblessness (still living with mom and dad), feelings of inadequacy  and they have mixed emotions about "Autism Awareness".  Some see it as good and some see it as bad while others see it as both.  The topic of causation never comes up in my group.

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/04/2009 @ 12:20PM PT

  44. Robert  Adams

    Oops, I should have wrote 3 years in my support group, not 6.

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/04/2009 @ 12:24PM PT

  45. Lia Costalas

    well.. kerry... my son is older and I have been doing this for years... and talking to parents and reading about issues they have... it is a variation on a theme... everyone of us say the same thing. sensory issues.. gut... bowel.. mystery rashes... food allergies... all the same.. and mostly after some sort of vaccine. people can continue to look for the genetic cause.. I guarrantee... it will be impossible to find... leo kanner's original 11 patients were exposed to mercury or their parents worked with some type of toxin. Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/04/2009 @ 12:31PM PT

  46. Robert  Adams

    Lia, would be happy to extend an invite to you to my Autistic Support Group if your interested.  I think there are at least 4 guys there with an autistic disorder diagnosis.  

    Dan Olmstead is not a reliable source of information about autism, which is where that "information" (Kanner's original subjects, not patients) came from.  Dan is a paid "journalist" by Generation Rescue, an anti-vax organization.
    Lia, would you be interested in attending an autistic support group meeting?

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/04/2009 @ 12:45PM PT

  47. Kristina Chew

    I think we ought to be a bit careful about noting that anyone else is "misleading" any one else-----in the spirit of discussion and of writing in a public forum, we're all here to contribute and it's up to each of us to reflect and discern.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/04/2009 @ 12:45PM PT

  48. Robert  Adams

    Hi Kristina,
    I want to echo your admonition, but at the same time, I'd like this to be a safe place for the "autism is environmental folks" to engage the broader autism/autistic community.   This may be their only opportunity/forum to talk with autistic people away from the judgmental eyes of their typical online community.  I think its important that these folks get to know autistic adults, where their child will reside at some point, whether self advocates or not.  

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/04/2009 @ 01:00PM PT

  49. Lia, your comments seem to be right in line with other parents I've met: you've done "research" on a subject and talked to lots of people, so you must be right. It's ridiculously arrogant, not to mention rather tedious to respond to.

    But in the spirit of things, let me offer to you my son as a counterexample: no gut/bowel issues, no "mystery rashes" (whatever that's supposed to mean), and no food allergies. He has had low iron (the developmental pediatrician who diagnosed him suggested a ferritin test long before we had our first visit), but we haven't seen any substantial behavioral or cognitive improvements since putting him on an iron supplement (and his iron levels have increased). (I can't even take your "sensory issues" seriously - that's a stereotypical commonality with ASD, and it proves nothing.) Of course, I have no confidence that you will take this as evidence against your claim at all since you've "been doing this for years."

    Posted by Galen Broaddus on 01/04/2009 @ 01:08PM PT

  50. Lia Costalas

    Hi.. and thanks for the invite to join.. just let me know how. sensory issues? are you kidding me? sound and taste sensitivies. and tactile issues? my son would cover his ears and run from the vacume cleaner... Dr. Temple Grandin talks about her sensory issues... the tactile defensiveness that drove her nuts... the pain of sound... right... anyway...you are right..we parents all got together and devised a way to cause the biggest debate in history.. we got together to "lie" about gut.. bowel and other issues and we got together to "lie" about our kids showing improvements. Right.. you have us all figured out. I am just here to say... let those who believe in biomedical and that ASD is caused by toxins in vaccines have a fair say here. Dr. Chew is trying to establish a mindset on this blog. If people want to believe it is genetic...fine.. they can keep their heads in the sand. But wake up... too many parents,see the same issues in their kids and want to do something about it. As we parents find and search for the biomedical cocktail that helps our kids.. dr. chew searches for the education that will help her son.. how many times have you moved, dr, chew? just a thought.. Lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/04/2009 @ 02:12PM PT

  51. Kev Leitch

    Different place, same misunderstandings. *sigh*

    Acceptance does not, repeat does not, mean doing nothing or accepting the status quo. It means (to me) acceptance of they way your child develops and learns and working with that. It means accepting that that 'way' is led by their autism.

    It does not mean any parent consigns their child to the dustbin of history and to infer so is demeaning and wrong.

    Lia, the question: do vaccines cause autism is one of science. The ramblings of Dan Olmsted are not science. You find science here http://www.pubmed.gov.

    So far, despite over 10 years of looking, there is no science that evidences that vaccines, any component of vaccines or any vaccine schedule cause autism.

    Likewise, there is no science that establishes a correlation between gastric issues and autism. You and your friends on the internet talking about it does not establish a correlation.

    No one suggests you are lieing about your childs medical issues. You are just correlating them with autism without any evidence to back that up.

    And whilst you are searching for that 'biomedical cocktail' what harm might you be causing to your child?Are you really so confident of using the drugs manufactured by the same pharma that manufacture vaccines in ways they were never intended to be used? Why?

    Posted by Kev Leitch on 01/04/2009 @ 03:30PM PT

  52. Jason Ross

    I am feeling good now.  I just wanted to add for every individual in this world there is the positive and negative whether Autistic or Neurotypical.  We must always look at both and determine how we can use the positive to outweigh the negative. There is always a way.

    Great Post Kristina!

    Jason

    Posted by Jason Ross on 01/04/2009 @ 04:39PM PT

  53. Stan Stanfield

    Kev,
    Even after Simpsonwood, with the deliberate hiding of the link with thimerosal, and the subsequent whitewash by Verstraeten  of his findings (and accepting a job with one of the vaccine mfgrs), do you really trust the Establishment's studies that much?  Do you REALLY think, with all that is at risk for them in the matter, that they are going to print the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?  And do you really think that all of the material that IS available, evidencing a link with vaccines, is all just nonsense??
    I really don't think you have a totally open mind in this matter, Kev.  Stay there if you want.  But it's not a sign of maturity.  Nor are postings from your camp followers calling people like Dr Stoller "quacks", and what they say as "rubbish", and such outright rejection of information.  Let's have a more mature discussion of this matter than that.  Or we're wasting each others' time.
    If you're game for a decent discussion: what do you think of the work of Dr Richard Deth?  Or Dr Jill James?  Or Dr Burbacher?  Or Dr Russell L. Blaylock?  Or Prof Haley?  Or...or....or.....
    ...and  if you say it's all "rubbish", don't bother to look for a reply from me.  I really couldn't be bothered to engage with someone who doesn't want to.  But if someone else on this thread wants to have a legitimate dialogue, let's get to it.  But let's stop this silly name-calling.  The subject is too important for cheap ad hominem attacks.     

    Posted by Stan Stanfield on 01/04/2009 @ 04:42PM PT

  54. Lia Costalas

    ok..so show me the great genetic research to BACK YOUR CLAIM that autism is genetic... there is none.. just speculations.. lia

    Posted by Lia Costalas on 01/04/2009 @ 05:29PM PT

  55. Robert  Adams

    Please take causation/conspiracy fights somewhere else.  Can't there be one place without parents fighting over one theory or another?  Why don't you guys talk about what's worked for you in an IEP, or tell us something you like about the autistic person in your life, or what you would like for accommodations in your area of the country.  

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/04/2009 @ 05:38PM PT

  56. Kristina Chew

    @Jason, glad you are feeling better----always good to know what you think.
    Regarding the genetics of autism, there've been a number of studies published recenrly, from Michael Wigler's work on de novo (spontaneous) mutations
    http://www.autismvox.com/a-unified-theory-of-autism/

    to that about the deletion or a duplication of a section of chromosome 16
    http://www.autismvox.com/like-father-like-son/

    and more.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/04/2009 @ 06:03PM PT

  57. Elizabeth Hensley

     What we are inheriting is a genetic tendency to be unable to handle the toxins in the modern environment, the injected ones,  the MSG and glutamate in foods, and the mercury from coal burning plants and toxins from other sources. It remains to be seen if ANYONE can become autistic if exposed to enough but maybe so. But genetics would explain why only some Kids living in the same envionment who get the same injections become autistic and others just become ADD or depressed or come out as far as we can tell completely OK. But they gave the same Macaque Monkey they use to test the safety of individual vaccines ALL of them the way we do our children and the result was Monkeys with autistic like behaviors and the same kind of painful gut problems many of us autistics have. Yes we don't all have them as one person mentioned above, but I sure do! :(( And I like my brain for the most part, but I want my gut cured.http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/sick-monkeys-st.html

    Posted by Elizabeth Hensley on 01/04/2009 @ 08:04PM PT

  58. Rodger Bailey

    I don't think our "taking sides" in a debate about recovery or neurodiversity is helpful. We probably become deeply committed to one or the other so that we can put our our feelings into some kind of action. It seems to me that there is amble room for all of us dealing with developmental problems.

    The following is my personal opinion based on my experiences for the last seven years working with children with developmental problems. I am not medical. I approach developmental problems with a 40+ years background in Anthropology, Educational Counseling, Linguistics, electronics, and computer systems theory.

    About "Recovery":

    My guess is that we are not seeing case studies of recovered autistic children because "recovered" would give us a new set of problems to deal with. These children who are "recovered" have dramatically changed, but they have not yet developmentally caught up with their peers.

    Autism is a developmental problem. When a child has a sluggish or stuck developmental process, many things cease to accumulate and build for that child. When you re-engage the developmental process the child can start developing again. But, what is needed for that child to catch-up with peers?

    This is truly significant with teenagers. All of those years in which physical and social skills are normally developed are lost and gone. With the developmental process re-engaged, how does a teenager recover all those lost experiences for earlier childhood?

    Genetic Markers:

    If someone has the genetic markers which are linked to developmental problems, and their system is stressed, they will start reacting to even mundane things. When they pass over their own personal system's stress threshold, they start reacting to a variety of environmental factors which might (or might not) be on someon'e list (diet), but each child has a unique set of factors to which they respond.

    The Immune System Response:

    After passing the stress threshold, when the sensitive child's immune system thinks that it is being attacked by some 'toxin,' it mounts a immune response. This immune response is designed to temporarily protect the child until the temporary attack has passed. Part of this response is to shut down certain processes which are not needed for survival today. One of the main areas which gets shut down is a set of brain circuits which drive and  manage the developmental process.

    Our modern world provides us with ample factors to which these sensitive children will have this immune response. But, it is not temporary. Those factors to which the child reacts continue. So, this immune response which is supposed to be temporary continues indefinitely.

    The Result:

    This means that the child's developmental process gets shut down (often there is regression, too) as long as those environmental factors to which the child is sensitive remain in the child's environment.

    The child's immune system is deciding what it reacts to. This means that a biological or chemical lab will not be able to accurately predict what children will be reacting to. Lists are not a good solution, because each child's menu of environmental factors to which the child reacts is unique and personal.

    There are many areas where we can be placing our efforts to with respect to developmental problems.

    The Neurodiversity movement is committed to improving the quality of life for the children. I certainly cannot find fault with that focus. But, most of the energy for this movement comes from recognizing there is little recovery possible and we should be putting our energy into improving quality of life for these children and adults.

    Recent advances show us that actual recovery (from the immune response) is possible. But, it is not rooted in symptoms, diagnoses, medicine, psychology. It is much more focused around understanding the nature of the sensitivity these children have and cleaning their environment of those things to which the child reacts.

    It also need to to include programs for encouraging and growing those circuits which control the developmental process (which have been stunted by that immune response).

    And it needs programs which are designed to help this 'recovered' child grow up and catch-up with peers. Most of the educational and training programs (which I have seen) for children with severe developmental problems are based on assumptions about teaching everything possible to a child who cannot learn. New programs need to be developed which are based on the assumption that this child can learn and needs t catch-up developmentally.

    Overview:

    From what I see, the pieces are falling into place for true recovery for these children with developmental problems to be possible. Most of the developers/practitioners in this field have staked out an area of specialization and are rarely looking at the big picture. So, they are confident that what they do is the answer, and they are missing that their approach could be part of a solution.

    Few are recognizing the pivital role that this sensitivity (intolerance) and the resulting immune response is the key to what has happened and the key to successful recovery. The biomedical approach, which shows promise as part of the recovery mix, does not recognize that children might not be helped by their approach because they are sensitive and react to the treatment itself.

    A broader understanding of the sensitivities, processes, and these responses will get us much further than research into the thing the child is reacting to.




    Posted by Rodger Bailey on 01/05/2009 @ 05:47AM PT

  59. Kristina Chew

    @Rodger Bailey,Thanks----may I ask how you came to be interested in autism? Have you noted the responses that you detail in autistic children or older individuals? 

    I don't think that it's necessary for people to "take sides," so much as to consider other ways of thinking about autism, about "treatment," about teaching, and so forth-----about possible gray areas. Some say that it's just not possible for everyone to ever come to consensus and that may be the case, but I'm always glad for discussion and, too, for any of my own views to be questioned and critiqued. In our life with our son Charlie, one thing I've often learned is to be very careful about assumptions, and to keep questioning everything, and to keep his needs and his person at the center of it all.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/05/2009 @ 08:07AM PT

  60. Stan Stanfield

    Excellent comment at 8:07am 1/05, Kristina.  Thanks for letting me/us know where more precisely you are coming from.  When I heard (& then saw it for myself) that you had said, "Recovery from autism is neither possible, nor desirable," I had a gut reaction (fortunately, for me, not lasting).  But I totally resonate with this 1/05 comment of yours.  Indeed, we all need to keep our minds open in this matter, as we proceed with what we feel about it at the moment. 
    And I also take Robert Adams' point (at 5:38pm 1/04) about not getting hung up on just the causation debate.  Indeed, more attention needs to be given to sufficient services and support for these kids, and what works, and what doesn't for the individual involved. I 'get' that that's one of the main points of this particular blog.  Consider that acknowledgment made.    

    Posted by Stan Stanfield on 01/05/2009 @ 09:17AM PT

  61. Kristina Chew

    @Stan, thank you and hope you will keep reading and letting us know what you think.  I have a very good friend whose son is almost the same age as my son. He has done numerous biomedical treatments (and lots and lots of ABA and much, much else) and it's when vaccines and causes come up that a big divider seems to slam down on our friendship. I've my opinions on certain topics, but I think it's the case that she and I value our friendship much more, and the sense that we've known each other for several years, and have known each others' boys.  Many regards-----

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/05/2009 @ 09:23AM PT

  62. Kev Leitch

    Stan - I don't buy into the so-called Simpsonwood conspiracy, sorry. In fact iconsiderit one of the great 'myths' of autism:

    http://autism-myths.org/2008/09/the-simpsonwood-conspiracy/

    Same as the myth that the Verstraten papers 'hid' a connection:

    http://autism-myths.org/2008/09/the-verstraten-paper/

    I'm also not impressed with claims that 'the establishment' are stacking the deck. Sorry. Good science, by its very nature is independant. How? Because good science is replicable. This means that anyone, anywhere can repeat the experiment. If people want to stack the deck in their favour they hide their methods, publish in non peer reviewed journals and are generally bad scientists.

    You then name a few scientists you believe support the link between autism and vaccines.

    Dr Richard Deth, Dr Jill James, Dr Burbacher, Dr Russell L. Blaylock, Prof Haley. I'll start with the last.

    In 2006 Haley was slated as an expert witness in a rhogam hearing. He was exluded from being able to give testimony because (http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=393):

    "The court…finds that Dr. Haley’s report does not state an expert opinion that thimerosal causes autism, rather just that he has a theory about how such a thing could happen. At best, he expressed “strong belief” that the cause of “neurodevelopmental disorders in infants” is exposure to an organic-mercury compound such as thimerosal"

    So - lets not name names, lets discuss whats at the heart of the matter - journal published, peer reviewed (and thus independant) science.

    Posted by Kev Leitch on 01/05/2009 @ 11:57AM PT

  63. Kev Leitch

    Lia - assuming that your last comment was for me, i don't recall stating that autism was purely genetic. I just don't believe it is in any way related to vaccines.

    As for where there is evidence of a genetic links to autism, please try here:

    http://www.geneticautism.org which has a comprehensive database over the many gene/allele and/or chromosome region linkages.

    Posted by Kev Leitch on 01/05/2009 @ 12:02PM PT

  64. Rachel Katz

    I have an honest question for some on this board. For those who say the cause is genetic OR environment, must it really be an either/or situation? One post did state that it's likelky both, a genetic susceptibility to certain environmental triggers. And in all likelihood there are many different triggers that only affect some and not others. And some might just be plain genetic. I have known autistics that were NEVER vaccinated.

    On a completely different note, to those who earlier commented on the issues with anxiety and autism, in my years working with young autistics I found yoga and breathing exercises to be HIGHLY beneficial for dealing with anxiety. The children who learned how to do yogic breathing properly ALL started doing it independently because they realized it made them feel better. It was a wonderful thing!

    Namaste,
    Rachel

    Posted by Rachel Katz on 01/05/2009 @ 02:30PM PT

  65. Kev Leitch

    I agree Rachel, I don't think its either/or too. I think its mostly genetic with (in some cases) an environmental component.

    Lets not forget though that Rett Syndrome is 100% genetic and is also a type of autism. Lets also not forget that one of the very very few known causes of autism is Rubella - purely environmental.

    Posted by Kev Leitch on 01/05/2009 @ 03:09PM PT

  66. My son has lost an ASD diagnosis.  He showed dramatic improvement via GFCF, Feingold, numerous supplements including mb12 shots, and changing all the cleaning products we used in the home.  We started all this simultaneously when he was almost 5.  Immediately prior, we took him to Dr Bryan Jepson at Thoughtful House in Austin Texas and learned his bowels were impacted.  My son didn't talk much at the time, but after he clogged the toilet from everything I gave him I remember he said very clearly, "Thanks for getting all that poop out of me, Mom."  It broke my heart, he'd been in pain his whole life and DIDN'T KNOW TO TELL ME.  It was all he knew.

    Fast forward a couple years, I finally had a porphyrin test done and it showed he had significant mercury toxicity.  I had been afraid of IV chelation, just like any normal parent would be given reports of children dieing from it.  However, I researched it and learned the kids harmed had been chelated with the wrong agents.  We did some transdermal chelation, and it helped, but we knew IV chelation was the preferred method.  We finally broke down and did it and in a few months, the changes in my son were marked.  I think other parents need to know that my seven year old son WANTED to go get his IVs, which he received every  other week.  He said they made him feel better.  He expressed regret the one day (it was summertime) that he was too dehydrated to get his IV.  HE chose to let the doctor try on his second of his arm when attempts on his first arm failed.

    My son is now a happy second grader in his school's gifted program.  He tested well in to the gifted range on a non-verbal IQ test.  He still lags a little socially, but is well within the normal range.  His sense of humor is keen and he is very sensitive to the needs and feelings of others. We never did any ABA.  We still do a little speech, he did get some OT.  We still maintain the diet mostly ( I admit we cheat and use extra enzymes sometimes ) and we still give lots of supplements.  No more IVs.

    There may be some genetic elements to this epidemic, but by definition there cannot be a genetic epidemic.  There are also environmental factors, I am sure of it.

    I hope for Charlie the very best.

    Posted by Amom whoblamesva... on 01/05/2009 @ 09:21PM PT

  67. Kristina Chew

    @Diana, thanks for writing about your son; sounds like he is doing very well. If I may ask, was he always able to speak?  I've a slightly different view about the notion of autism as an "epidemic" ----regardless, it's certainly good to be able to share stories about other children, and other families who have been through a lot. Very  best wishes ------

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/05/2009 @ 11:10PM PT

  68. Hello -

    Your comment is almost as perplexing to me as your question.  *smile*

    I don't know what 'always' able to speak' means.  I can tell you that at 18 months his delays were first diagnosed.  He was not speaking five words at that time.  His comment to me when he was five was very, very unusual both because he did not often speak and he did not often string so many words together when he did. 

    I cannot understand how autism is anything less than an epidemic.  I reject the notion that there are just better diagnostics or that people are more willing to bring their disabled family members into the public eye.  Perhaps our backgrounds differ?  I have always lived in the United States and in my experience, now as an adult I am aware of more autistic children than I was ever aware of any other type of disabled people combined - and this is not only combining all other disabilities but it is also combining my other stages of life, child, teen, young adult.  Anecdotal, I'm sure that will be the argument to this unscientific assessment, but I've developed a somewhat jaded eye due to the financial resources (and accompanying motives)  required for so-called scientific data. 

    "Parentdotal" evidence has earned my trust.  Had I listened to our pediatrician - who advised strenously against the bio-medical path upon which we embarked - my child would still be in pain and unable to communicate.  What horror!  ( I have to say, in just four months, that pediatrician was shocked at the changes in my son - his jaw hit the floor when he walked in and he asked "what have you done to this child"  the answer was, of course, that I had done the opposite of what he had recommended - and this was only in reference to the GFCF, he knew nothing about the other biomedical things we did so he did not advise against them though I am certain he would have.  He was a very good pediatrician, I must add.  He first diagnosed delays at 18 months, we were lucky in that regard.  I looked him up recently, he is now specializing in emergency pediatric medicine and I have an idea why he changed his practice.  At the appointment where he was shocked, he told me, "you have my underhanded approval to continue biomedical interventions" as if it were some kind of doctor violation to endorse biomedical.  I found it odd at the very least.  It was also a surreal experience to find yourself educating your doctor as it was clear the notes he was taking were for more than just my child's chart.  And, like I said, he was a very good pediatrician and he very soon thereafter changed his practice entirely.  I suspect he didn't want to continue giving vaccinations, but I will never know for sure. I want to add that our experiences with OT and speech were very underwhelming until we started biomedical.  (Also, i want to make clear that I am not affiliated with Dr. J in any way, I do however feel indebted to him because his expertise made the difference for us and I would be comfortable encouraging other parents to seek his help.  We moved between seeing Dr J and getting chelation therapy, that was administered where we live now.)

    However, I know not all children respond to biomedical interventions and if your child is one of those children, I feel for you.  I have some friends who have children who are not improving despite their efforts with biomedical and ABA, etc.  Luckily, if those children are experiencing pain, they are giving no outward appearances of having pain.  ( my son used to apply pressure to his belly, hanging off the sofa and so forth ).  The few friends I have with children who are not improving with biomedical do have genetic backgrounds that may be more susceptible to autism.  I have many more friends who have children who are getting better from biomedical interventions.  Several have lost diagnoses altogether, and, like my son, are indistinguishable from their peers.  Most are making steady improvements in their abiliity to communicate, etc, but more importantly they seem to be in less pain. 

    I feel the pain of the mothers whose kids are not improving - at what point do you just say, "forget it, biomedical doesn't work for us, our money is better spent caring for this child's future".  That is a very valid point, and a choice I am so thankful I did not have to make.  Everything we did was expensive.  Insurance paid for almost nothing.

    I hope that you did not merely have bad DAN doctors or incorrect lab results.  You mentioned no interest in chelation due to some reference to diflucan?  I have never heard of that as a chelator, I never used it but I know knowledgable mothers who have used it but now I'm embarrassed to forget what for (viral load?).  Chelators I am aware of are DMPS, DMSA, EDTA, and ALA.  Charlie is your son, certainly your mother's intution is paramount, if you believe that the best thing is to abandon biomedical then I would not doubt you.  However, if you have any doubts, I will be happy to help you in any way I can.  And, certainly I have to disagree wholeheartedly that biomedical interventions should not be tried by anyone.
     
    I think it is important to say that the aim of parents embarking upon biomedical interventions have the goal of having healthy children.  It is not a goal to change who they are.  I know many autistic adults are very offended by the biomedical movement.  They shouldn't be because parents trying to heal their children would be thrilled to have their kids grow up and be able to communicate that they were offended, and to be offended in the first place.  Whatever 'autism' these adults have, it is not the same 'autism' that parents are trying to heal.  Parents just want their children to not be in pain and to be able to communicate.

    Posted by Amom whoblamesva... on 01/06/2009 @ 12:26AM PT

  69. Rodger Bailey

    @Diana Schaffer on 01/05/2009 @ 09:21PM PST
    Thanks for your post about your son. Your experiences match much of what we have learned working with the whole range of developmental problems (from ADHD, LD, APD, GDD, & FTT to ASD). When we can reduce the environmental factors to which the child is reacting, the normal developmental process re-engages and attempts to proceed normally. As long as you continue to control those factors to which your child reacts, the developmental process continues to advance.
    Having the genetic markers seems to mean a susceptibility (an extra level of sensitivity or intolerance) with respect to factors in the environment. As far as I can tell, there is no genetic marker about sensitivity to wheat or gluten or mercury or whatever. Those genetic markers simply indicate more sensitivity to something.
    Recent research is showing us that having a certain genetic marker does not define how our body manifests that marker. Responses to environmental factors seems to determine how that particular gene manifests. So, different people with the same genetic marker can manifest differently based on the environmental factors to which the person has contact.
    All of us are sensitive to certain things in our environment. Thirty years ago, I discovered that I reacted badly to deodorant 'soap' and I would get a rash if I used any of them. So, I stopped using them and the rashes stopped. Some of us are more susceptible to insect bites or stings than others. We all have things to which we are sensitive. Maybe with more research we will learn more about the ranges of sensitivity.
    For me, the important thing is to focus on that sensitivity and not on the object of that sensitivity. It would not be a useful discussion for me to blame deodorant 'soap' for all the rashes in the world. It is simply practical that if I react to this kind of soap, I need to stay away from it. I think that is practical advice for everyone.
    The same goes for certain materials. For instance, in his old age, my father-in-law became sensitive to plastics and rubber. So, whenever he received medical attention, we had to make sure he was not touched by medical staff with latex or rubber gloves or he would break out in a rash. We had to make sure the blanket and clothes he used was cotton or he would get a rash.
    But, our reactions to environmental factors are not limited to rashes. We can react emotionally, behaviorally, mentally, and in our natural processes (such as the developmental process itself).
    I certainly don't know the mechanism by which each body decides to react (or not) to a specific environmental factor. I'm convinced that it will not be detected in a petri dish. For me, the direction we need to be looking in our research is not about mercury or wheat (for instance), it is about the mechanisms our bodies use to identify to which factor we are going to be sensitive. I suspect these target factors are not hard-wired for us.
    In my experience, when we identify the factors to which a child is reacting and we remove those factors from the child's environment, the child starts having an immediate burst of new developmental tasks being accomplished. In these cases, there is clear evidence that the child's developmental process gets unstuck and starts progressing.
    This is most clear for children diagnosed with Failure To Thrive (FTT). We have often worked with 3, 4, and 5 year-old children who have not yet started to walk. Some FTT children are still infants who cannot yet hold up their heads. Others have progressed in some areas, but scoot around on the floor without trying to stand or walk.
    “Scooters” are usually quite dramatic in their response to getting their environment 'cleaned up.' They are usually up and walking within a few days. So, it is clear to us that after years of no improvement from modern medical interventions, that determining the child's menu of sensitivities and isolating the child from those factors to which the child is sensitive is the key to getting the developmental process back on track. Ongoing work with these children shows that they catch-up in other areas of their development in addition to these gross motor improvements.
    Also, when these children encounter new environmental factors to which they are sensitive (but not discovered in their initial assessment) they can quickly regress back to scooting instead of walking. But when we identify the new 'offending' environmental factor and eliminate it, the child is back on track again within a day or so.
    GFCF and Fiengold approaches are on the right track, but (in my opinion) are using the wrong tools to accomplish the task of cleaning the child's environment. We have seen cases where children were reacting to some of the things on the approved diet, so the program did not work for them. Each child has a unique menu of things to which the child reacts. The best approach to achieve a good result from trying to clean the child's environment is an individual assessment to determine each child's menu of environmental factors to which the child reacts.
    In your experience with your child, you have had great results and I am so happy for you and all the others who have found something that works for their family. Keep on doing what you are doing.
    I suspect that new advances in understanding problems in the developmental process may be focused around these sensitivities.

    Posted by Rodger Bailey on 01/06/2009 @ 05:07AM PT

  70. Rodger Bailey

    In my opinion, the biomedical approach is an attempt to remove environmental factors (to which the child is sensitive) from permanent residence in the child's body. I applaud this approach, because it is working on the correct direction (eliminating factors from the child's environment to which the child reacts).

    In our experience, many children taking biomedical treatment have a sensitivity to the treatments themselves. I suspect this is a reason it does not work for some children.

    Posted by Rodger Bailey on 01/06/2009 @ 05:16AM PT

  71. Renee Sullivan

    I first became interested in autism two years ago when I received a student in my classroom who had autism.  In addition, he was mentally retarded and non-verbal.  I fell in love with this student.  He was much lower functioning than the rest of my students and at first, they were scared of him but they saw the way I interacted with him and they soon fell in love with him too.  I personally believe he is much more intelligent than the school psycholoist suggested. I took a sign language class just so I could communicate with him and was astounded at how quickly he picked it up.  As a current Ph.D. student, I am doing my dissertation on the rising rates of autism.  Like many who have posted here, my research tells me that there is a genetic component for autism.  I personally believe that the environment can ativate this gene but I do not believe the environment "causes" autism.  In terms of the rising rates, because it is a developmental disorder, I also believe that as "professionals" have become more educated about autism and as they have become more aware of its symptoms and characteristics, they are better able to diagnose it now.  In addition, the diagnostic criteria for autism has significantly changed since the term was first introduced by Eugen Blueler in 1911 and then introduced by Leo Kanner is 1943 here in the United States.  Today, autism is classified as "a pervasive developmental disorder (PDD)" but this also includes Asperger's, Rett's Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, and PDD Not Otherwise Specified.  Autism itself is a spectrum disorder so you can have those who are very high functioning on one end of the scale and then on the other end are those who are non-verbal, mentally retarded who are classified as "severe" or "profound."

    I am very concerned with the diagnostic process and the amount of support and education parents of children with suspected autism receive during the "wait" period.  You stated that your son was diagnosed at age 2.  Do you remember how long you waited to receive a definitive diagnosis?  Did you receive any support during that time?  Were you sent to multiple professionals?  I am focusing on parental stress during the diagnostic and evaluation process.  Someone stated that focusing on the "causation" is a waste of time.  Well, I believe if we can uncover "THE cause" then we can work toward prevention in the future but in the mean time, there are children with autism here.  They have parents who are struggling with how to raise them so they can enjoy a better quality of life.  I had a former professor who was sure that the child with autism is happy in their own world because, as she put it, they know nothing about ours.  I'm not sure that I agree but I would love to hear from parents of children with autism.  I hope to get started with the data collection part of my study within the next few months and would love anyone interested to participate by completing an online survey that basically focuses on the diagnostic and evaluation process, parental stress and frustration, and education from professionals about autism and resources available to them.

    Best wishes to Charlie.  He sounds like a wonderful young man.  Your story really makes me miss my former student.  ;  )

    Renee
    rtrkrswfe@cox.net.

    Posted by Renee Sullivan on 01/06/2009 @ 05:40AM PT

  72. Sonya O'Brien

    I think it is very important that people understand that no two people are alike, Autism or not, we are all unique individuals. Autism is a spectrum disorder which makes it all the more difficult to compare and understand. I have an Amazing 4 yo boy w/ numerous diagnoses Autistic Spectrum Disorder being one of them. He does not have Regressive Autism (I think making the diagnosis easier to accept) but he did have a reaction to his six week vaccines causing encephalopathy among other things, very long story (he does have a family history of Autoimmune disease which could be a genetic predisposition). We started traditional therapies at 1 yo w/ not much progress after two years we decided to give biomed a try and have had Wonderful results. The Methyl B12 injections gave him his voice and I can't express how great that is! I wish all children responded like my son but the sad truth is they don't. My heart aches for the parents that have tried IT ALL and nothing seems to help. I am sure they really get sick of hearing of the "Recovered" children. Personally I think Autism is life long but some symptoms can be alleviated, to an extent, if the symptoms are caused by biomedical issues. I do think finding a cause is very important as more and more children are being diagnosed and our current system cannot handle the huge number of children with developmental disabilities. But taking care of the needs of persons w/ developmental disabilities should be the top priority!

    On genetics, I keep hearing people say that there is no such thing as a genetic epidemic but isn't it possible to cause a genetic epidemic if 80% of the population is vaccinated w/ a vaccine containing altered DNA and then pass it on to their offspring????? Just so you know I don't think vaccines cause Autism but I think in individuals who are genetically predisposed they can be a tipping point or trigger if you will.

    I hope that the Autism community can unite to fight for change to help people with Autism get the education they deserve, get therapies they need, to be accommodated, to live life to the fullest with dignity and acceptance!! Isn't that what we all want?

    Sonya


    Posted by Sonya O'Brien on 01/06/2009 @ 08:58AM PT

  73. Kev Leitch

    Epidemic - what *evidence* is there for an epidemic of autism? Please note I am not saying there definitely has or has not been one, I am asking what evidence is there either way? Scientific evidence I mean.

    Diana - I'm glad your son is no longer in pain. However, I am skeptical of some of the things you say. Not that I accuse you of lying. I am just not sure what you say is right.

    You mention about 9 different treatments regularly thought of as biomedical. How do you know which (if any) had any effect on your sons *autism* - not his bowels, not his speech but his *autism*?

    You mention vitamins as well as chelation. Did you know that at least one autistic child has been hospitalised by a DAN! doctor by taking mega-doses of vitamins? I worry greatly that there is a culture of experimentation and exploitation going on here for no tangible or measurable benefit.

    Posted by Kev Leitch on 01/06/2009 @ 11:28AM PT

  74. Kristina Chew

    @Diana Schaffer, thanks for writing more about your son-----Charlie did well with the GFCF diet and (as we liked to think) anti-fungal "treatment" (with nystatin, Culturelle/probiotics).  We had some serious reservations, somewhat noted above, about chelation, injections of secretin and the like, though we certainly read a great deal about them, talked with families, met with a DAN! practitioner well-known in northern New Jersey---the sorts of things so many parents and families have done.  
    @Sonya O'Brien, Sounds like your son is doing well and hope this continues-----speech therapy, ABA (including verbal behavior) helped my son to talk; physical exercise that built up his muscles and strength also made a big difference.
    Regarding there being an "epidemic" of autism----there feels like there is one; certainly there has been a figurative "epidemic" of understanding about autism and discussing autism in public settings. I'll most likely be posting more about the so-called "epidemic," and about there not being one. I've written about this previously at:

    http://www.autismvox.com/better-diagnosis-and-so-called-epidemics/
    http://www.autismvox.com/what-if-there-is-no-autism-epidemic/

    Dignity and acceptance for sure and yes---- 

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/06/2009 @ 11:32AM PT

  75. Shondolyn (Synesthesia) Gibson

    Awesome point of view, which is what I like about your blogs.
    I keep wondering if the attitudes about autism and other disabilities have to change in order to help people a lot more.

    That excellent manga comes to mind.

    Posted by Shondolyn (Synesthesia) Gibson on 01/06/2009 @ 12:23PM PT

  76. Theodora Sobin

    You know, Kristina, every time I have this "recovery vs acceptance" discussion with myself I remember how difficult it is to maneuver the so-called social support system in this country--every bit of help my son has gotten I've had to fight for or do myself -- and so I come back to the idea that the more my son can take care of himself, the better off he'll be.  We don't have much family to fall back on,  so it's a pragmatic decision.  If we can make the pragmatic work with the happy, so much the better. 

    Of course, it's difficult to know what to do or how much of it to do when.  It's all a big on-going experiment, one that a parent can feel woefully inadequate to deal with.  Sometimes the right thing to do is to back off; sometimes it's full steam ahead.  Timing is as important as anything.  Time keeps galloping by, so you can't wait for the definitive answer or cure, or the State you live in to understand how to deliver services.   

    My son is 22, diagnosed with high functioning autism at 14.  He's in community college with a plan to become a computer programmer.  (We might have to move to India for him to have a job doing that though).  Support services by CLE.          
       

    Posted by Theodora Sobin on 01/06/2009 @ 03:39PM PT

  77. Kathy Reece

    Did any of you or your child experience infantile seizures?
    My nephew is autistic and he had infantile seizures after his vaccinations and did not show up on the EEG. His parents video taped his seizures to provide evidence of his seizures. He has had genetic testing and they all came back normal.

    Posted by Kathy Reece on 01/06/2009 @ 03:44PM PT

  78. Mark Romoser

    "I thought I had to do everything in my power to make it possible for him to not be in special education, to go to college, to live on his own..." These three things are NOT mutually exclusive! I, too, rode the short bus for many years. Eventually, I went to college. Then, I transferred. To Yale. From which I hold a cum laude degree. As for living on my own, I'm in Honolulu. Mom is in New York. 5,000 miles away. That's as "on my own" as I can get without a passport (unless she moves back to New England :-) )

    Posted by Mark Romoser on 01/06/2009 @ 03:46PM PT

  79. Phil Schwarz

    Diana Schaffer wrote:
    "Not because neurodiversity is a bad thing, but because a self-supporting life without chronic pain is a good thing."

    The two are NOT mutually exclusive.  To say that one must be against a self-supporting life or against relief from chronic pain if one is pro-neurodiversity is a pernicious false dichotomy perpetuated by those who fear empowerment of autistic self-advocates and do not want their hegemony encroached upon.

    I'm the parent of an autistic teen, and I'm solidly pro-neurodiversity.  And I think autistic people and others with atypical neurology deserve and should get as high quality *legitimate* medical care as neurologically typical people.  They don't, because all too often their physical ailments are swept under the rug of "it's part of the autism" and either not taken seriously, or inappropriately treated with quack autism "treatments" rather than legitimate medical care.

    The pseudoscience and celebrity media-campaigns of those who misguidedly believe vaccines have anything to do with autism HINDER, not help, getting autistic people the appropriate *legitimate* medical care they deserve.  As do the charlatans who make money off the ensuing FUD -- fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

    Posted by Phil Schwarz on 01/06/2009 @ 10:20PM PT

  80. Phil, please don't misunderstand me.  I was merely trying to point out that I am not anti-pro-neurodiversity.  I agree that symptoms should be treated and not written off as 'part of autism'.  I was shocked to hear a parent I know say that a GI doctor actually said that to her in refusing her son treatment.  I am sorry to hear that parents actually hear these comments from doctors.  That seems to me like showing up at the scene of a car wreck and saying, "yep, car wrecks cause bleeding - no treatment necessary." Not only do I agree with you, I wonder if the GI problems are a CAUSE of the autism.

    Kev asked which treatment affected my son's autism.  I have been wondering exactly which part was his autism.

    Posted by Amom whoblamesva... on 01/06/2009 @ 11:00PM PT

  81. Kristina Chew

    @Kathy Reece, my son did not have infantile seizures. He was tested for Fragile X and he does not have it.

    @Mark Romoser, Honolulu sounds good (especially on this icy, wet, gray morning in New Jersey.......).

    @Theodora Sobin, moving to India----far farther than we've ever had to travel!   Here in New Jersey---though my husband's family is from here, and where we've found a good school district for Charlie---we don't really have any help and it is pretty much Jim and me. I like very much your saying that figuring out what to do is a bit of an "on-going experiment"---that has been very much our experience.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/07/2009 @ 07:12AM PT

  82. Stan Stanfield

    I've been biting my tongue, because I want to honor the feeling of some not to get up hung up on 'causality' issues here.  This thread has helped me understand why the anger/resistance of the 'ND' crowd towards those 'harping on' about 'cures' and biomeds.  My thanks for that larger perspective on the matter.  (I used to think that it was simple ignorance.  I have been disabused of that notion.)
    But we at least need to listen to each other.  For Kev and Phil, for two examples, to say and keep insisting that vaccines have nothing whatsoever to do with autism is erroneous.  Respectfully, may I repeat from earlier on in this thread:
    (1) The genes - strike that; at least some of the autism genes that have been discovered code for glutamate (= synapse formation).  
    (2) Glutamate is an 'excitotoxin' - a neurotoxin -  and thus needs to be eliminated from the environment of someone who can now be identified (biomarkers) with the autism genes (however those genes got formed, which is another matter).       Glutamate is present in the diet (esp. high in wheat & dairy, & thus in part the value of a GF/CF diet; in MSG; in hydrolyzed soy products; in aspartame,  etc) - and is also present in some vaccines; some of which also have mercury and/or aluminum in them, and thus a case of double jeopardy: because not only is glutamate an excitotoxin in its own right (& thus enhancing the inflammatory action of the vaccine(s), in stimulating antibodies to the vax ingredients), but it lowers the levels of glutathione, which is the substance that binds with & eliminates heavy metals from the system.     And speaking of glutathione:  
    (3) It has also been found to be low in children with ASD; apparently from a genetic polymorphism, but also possibly from working 'overtime' to chelate the heavy metals in the system.  Which can come from fish, coal-fired power plants, dental amalgam fillings into the foetus or via breastfeeding into the infant, etc, but as well INCLUDING VACCINES.     (Yes, aluminum is in foods etc as well; but in vaccines it comes packaged in an inflammatory setting to start with.  And injected rather than ingested is a different matter to the immune system.)
    So we are talking about both/and: both genetics and environment; and in that environmental factor, vaccines are a key component, because they set up an inflammatory response in the body by their very nature, even before we look at these confounding genetic factors.  Vaccines need to be made safer; and children with biomarkers for ASD susceptibility need to be treated with that awareness, environmentally; especially via diet, but not exclusively.  And as Diana says, it can be a matter of combinations of factors, not just isolated ones.
    And now I'm done making this case, and will continue to listen carefully to the 'other' point of view in this dialogue, ie, the case for more attention to be paid to the education needs of children on the spectrum, and their housing, employment opportunities, etc.  Definitely a legitimate argument. 

    Posted by Stan Stanfield on 01/07/2009 @ 07:39AM PT

  83. Kristina Chew

    @Stan, I think it's convenient, but limiting, to speak of an "ND" camp. Truly, I think we all ultimately are in that "camp," in so far as we love and accept our children as they are, for what they are; as individuals, none without differences.
    Having written a post about most every hypothetical cause you list on Autism Vox, as well as about the hypothetical vaccine-autism link and the numerous studies refuting it----I do think that the constant return to the one topic of causation has become consuming it and of itself. I know it's the subject of ongoing study; we know that the prevalence rate of autism is rising and that the DSM criteria are being revised; we also know that measles and other infectious diseases have been on the rise, due to parents choosing not to vaccinate a child because of fear of the hypothetical vaccine-autism link.  We've been fortunate to live at a time when the possibility of providing appropriate services and supports for individuals of all ages across the autism spectrum is possible, and I hope we can fulfill that possibility.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/07/2009 @ 08:30AM PT

  84. Ken Ott

    Posted by Ken Ott on 01/07/2009 @ 10:11AM PT

  85. Ken Ott

    @KC: the "vaccine-autism" fuax link you mention is discussed in the above link i posted. cheers.

    Posted by Ken Ott on 01/07/2009 @ 10:14AM PT

  86. Mark Romoser

    @KC: Did you know? I once lived in Jersey City! I ran the multimedia lab at a school in Manhattan that serves mostly kids with autism. Since it was right near PATH, I figured, "Why try to find an apartment in NYC?" And so, off to Journal Square I went.

    Are you at New Jersey City U. or St. Peter's? (somehow I doubt that HCCC has a Virgil translator on faculty...)

    Posted by Mark Romoser on 01/07/2009 @ 12:42PM PT

  87. Kristina Chew

    @Mark Romoser,
    At SPC, down Kennedy Blvd---we're at Journal Square all the time to catch the PATH to New York. By next week (as I start teaching) there may be more than a few references here to a few classical matters.........

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/07/2009 @ 07:05PM PT

  88. Dori Jaffe

    Hi Kristina,

    I love your article.  Thank you for writing it.
    Re: autism wars (interesting metaphor)
    My favorite saying these days is "Different strokes for different folks at different times"

    I know, for some people, the "recovery" thing really works.

    For others, it seems to just not fit (and that's been my experience too - except in a different situation).  When I read your words, e.g.  "I've come to think that focusing on recovery distracted me from truly helping Charlie and truly understanding Charlie", I get the sense of having arrived at a very peaceful and wise place.

    I love what you said about Obama's plan to empower people with disabilities and your wish for a "world free of unnecessary barriers, stereotypes, and discrimination".

    All my best to you and Charlie,
    Dori

    Posted by Dori Jaffe on 01/07/2009 @ 07:46PM PT

  89. Carolyn Collins

    @ Kev all these problems that Diane(?) cured her son of are part of autism. You really need to do more research. I have 2 autistic sons that I am trying to help, my youngest doesn't need as much help as does my oldest. I am looking into the biomedical treatment for them. Biomedical is herbal and you do not have to go through the pharmacy companies to get them. It is people like you that think only you are right and evertone else is wrong that are the problem with this world. I know that I am new to this group and I don't want to upset anyone and step on their toes, but shouldn't we be supporting one another, not arguing amongst ourselves. If people are truely trying to help this cause by joining it then we need to rally together to get things accomplished.

    Posted by Carolyn Collins on 01/08/2009 @ 06:46AM PT

  90. VotersThink.org RawStory.com

    Ken Kev,

    Once your loved one is struck with autism your whole stance will change.

    I remember that I couldn't wait till my children get vaccinated out of fear that,they will contract a "deadly" disease like Hepatitis B or Polio or Tetanus etc.  I was so glad when pediatrician gave our children vaccines, it made me feel save.  Nevermind that Our insurance didn't cover vaccines because our pediatrician was not pre-authorized.

    Anyhow, you defent vaccines without even thinking that ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL when it comes to vaccines or anything in particular.

    Heck you'll even find someone allergic to Apples, let alone toxic chemicals in vaccines.

    Even most doctors feel is totally unnecessary to Vaccinate against HepB but they do it because they'll loose their licenses if they do otherwise.  HepB affects prostitutes and drug users not average americans, especially children who don't even know what prostitution or drugs are.  The mandate to Vaccinate againt HEPB is nothing but a fund raiser.  There is a simple Blood test to test the Mother and then, I don't know what good that could do since the baby has been inside the mother for 9 months, then the Vaccine is recommended.

    Why is it safe to vaccinate with 5 "diseases" at the same time, but its not safe to vaccinate when child has cold.

    I bet you also think that FLUORIDE is good for you, you probably never looked into what FLUORIDE Is and since your body doesn't use it... well deny it but lookup MSDS sheets and you'll know.

    If you also look hard enough You'll find patents with Fluoride as insecticide or RAT POISON.  Now just agree its for your good teeth.

    The idea of putting fluoride in water so it can help your teeth is like idea of drinking suncreen to prevent sunburn.  How is your body to know to put only fluoride in your teeth.  Dental FLUOROSIS affects every bone in your body, also THYROID, BRAIN ETC.

    Posted by VotersThink... RawStory.com on 01/08/2009 @ 10:41AM PT

  91. I was reading the different suggestions and comments. There is a lot of great ideas. Autism is complex. I just wanted to share what I found was helpful in our situation.

     My 25 year old son has outgrown his autism(no longer meets the DSM4 definition of Childhood Disintegration Disorder). I think some of the most helpful things were to treat him like a normal person. Life improved a lot at home. There is a discontinued web site by adult autistics who don't want to be badgered by too many questions from us parents. They would like to be seen as being OK. 

    Having used many therapies I would recommend alternative schools that teach hands on, multisensory learning(touch math, cuisinarie rods, "Recipe for Reading", Inspiration/Kidspiration software, Atlantis Wordprocessing for computer learning etc) especially "fun" typing which keeps the parent out of the homework loop. The computer checks the work and there is less steps used in the writing process. There is a whole curriculum in the back of "Let Me Hear Your Voice" book by Catherine Maurice. Temple Grandin books(see and hear autistic thoughts) are helpful in learning how to talk to your child.

    Autism affects most parts of the brain. Getting your child evaluated in areas of processing information in the brain such Speech Therapy (auditory processing, social communication, articulation), Visual Processing, Occupational Therapy(nervous system integration) would help you understand the challenges the child faces. Hippo therapy(a therapist horse back riding  therapy) is an easy, effective way to do OT.  Make sure on your IEP's that your child is tested also for perceptual skills (brain processing information) not just academic skills. The preceptual tests pinpoint the learning problems.  Biofeedback targeting the frontal lobe(right forehead) can improve emotions and executive planning(planning/executing tasks), Memory. My child's brainwaves went from theta (light sleep) 1-2 to 32 per minute with right and left side of brain interacting(staircase). This means that the correct side of the brain is doing the correct task. Brain works more efficiently. He now had Beta Waves which meant being able to learn in a classroom. No more putting his head on the desk. Taking out the garbage at age 12 without help was priceless. Karate helps with handwriting, motor coordination and feeling that they are not vulnerable in the world.   Using preschool/kindergarden ready workbooks you could evaluate many of these sensory areas yourself. There are exercises(The Thinking Company) to improve advance thinking skills (abstract thinking which is needed 6-12th grades). These exercises deal with categories, sequencing etc.-all the elements involved in learning.

    Spend the years trying to figure out what talents the child has. Then find ways to develop those talents into a adult job. We hired private artists to teach him. He graduated from college with an animation degree.

     My other son works with a 19 year old autistic person. The biggest challenge is the advance thinking skills and executive command(independently getting things done). My other son has to break down tasks into cards with time limits on each card so "Patrick" can remain focus and not frustrated. Also the cards are effective because it is more effective to show than talk to an autistic person. Both sides can remain cool instead of frustrated. Patrick is a self-taught software programmer and doesn't write code like my other son. At first Patrick was resistant to change and also right brain. Patrick is now starting to to see the BIG PICTURE rather than thinking in terms of PARTS and using his gifts of a different wired brain. The job is beginning to make sense.  He had to move home so his parents could get him on time for work. Obviously working with Patrick is frustrating and time consumming. My other son has high expectations for Patrick. It is important to treat him like everyone else.  Patrick is lucky to be at a job runned by right brain people. Patrick is in an office corner cut off from all the noise/people and only interacts with my son. At first the environment was overstimulating for Patrick.

    We did alot with behavior. Robert Koegel from UC Santa Barbara(Understanding Why Problem Behaviors Occur) has these cheap booklets from his clinic which teach behavior and skills. Experts in the field say behavior is communication. The child needs to feel liked(trust) by the people around him; parent vocalizes in words what the child is unable to say("Are you upset?" which helps with self-inflicted pain); parent whispers when they want the child to pay attention. These help with behavior. Knowing what triggered the behavior and what the child gets out of the behavior(how the child acts afterwards) you can substitute bad behaviors for good ones. Hiring teens to parallel play with your child or take your child out in the community or giving your child money to buy fast food in an empty restaurant are ways to build social skills. His friend was in another room at first. Eventually my son starting playing next to him in the same room AND caught up on his play skills.  All it cost me was pizza and soda.

    We didn't get to do everything- too many challenges. We were lucky that his college taught our son work behaviors. Sometimes unexpected opportunities occur such as having neat freak male roommates. They had weekly meetings to make sure the rules were enforced. No parent or child can do everything. Sometimes we luck out connecting with other people. I think it is important to treat our children like they are like everyone else.  Also as my daughter taught me, "Mom, your are so involved that you miss out on the little, good things in life."

    Posted by L I on 01/08/2009 @ 10:52AM PT

  92. Just like one of the previous writers I was frustrated at the fragmentation of services for autistic children. I forgot to mention that the people you meet are specialists. They only know their one area of expertise. I had to be my child's case manager and keep everyone involved informed. Writing information in a short report was helpful to introduce my child to the new professional. I would always ask people I met if they knew of any other resources. For years I would hear that my child was the worse they had ever seen. Eventually he wasn't the lowest. I read alot and kept putting the same key words on the search engine. I also ask the professionals for suggested books. Dr. Levine (Learning Disability ped doctor) has some great books on strategies to overcome learning disabilities that explain the principles of how people learn (category, sequencing, memory, study skills etc.)

    Many Universities have services in speech and learning supervise by graduate school professors. You may have to go to their web site and find out for yourself if they offer therapy programs for your child. They are reasonably priced. These students are the ones being trained to service you during your child's IEP. It helped me understand how they could/couldn't help me. Just make sure to make your learning goals the most important ones since they don't have the time to totally fix the problem.You may only be seen one semester. Phone a week or two before classes to see if you can self-refer and by-pass the waiting list. They will administer a battery of tests so that you can discover your child's strenghts and weaknesses. From all the traveling I have done autistic experts have said that North Carolina and Mass. have autistic programs incorporated into the public school system. North Carolina at Chapel Hill has a lot of information on its internet site. The Mind Institute in Northern California has some helpful information. Scotish Rite does speech for free and is a terrific way to pick up academic skills. Easter Seals OT may do free testing to evaluate fine/gross motor skills etc. You will get a report indicating any age delays. Sacramento State Mary Jane Reese Center (Sacramento, Ca) has one of the best auditory processing, social communication , articulation (Speech Departments). If anyone has found outstanding resources for parents this might be the place to mention them.

    Posted by L I on 01/08/2009 @ 11:45AM PT

  93. VotersThink.org RawStory.com

    FROM: THRiiiVE.com:

    Autism Night Before Christmas

    by Cindy Waeltermann

    Twas the Night Before Christmas

    And all through the house

    The creatures were stirring

    Yes, even the mouse

    We tried melatonin

    And gave a hot bath

    But the holiday jitters

    They always distract

    The children were finally

    All nestled in bed

    When nightmares of terror

    Ran through my OWN head

    Did I get the right gift

    The right color

    And style

    Would there be a tantrum

    Or even, maybe, a smile?

    Our relatives come

    But they don't understand

    The pleasure he gets

    Just from flapping his hands.

    "He needs discipline," they say

    "Just a well-needed smack,

    You must learn to parent..."

    And on goes the attack

    We smile and nod

    Because we know deep inside

    The argument is moot

    Let them all take a side

    We know what it's like

    To live with the spectrum

    The struggles and triumphs

    Achievements, regressions...

    But what they don't know

    And what they don't see

    Is the joy that we feel

    Over simplicity

    He said "hello"

    He ate something green!

    He told his first lie!

    He did not cause a scene!

    He peed on the potty

    Who cares if he's ten,

    He stopped saying the same thing

    Again and again!

    Others don't realize

    Just how we can cope

    How we bravely hang on

    At the end of our rope

    But what they don't see

    Is the joy we can't hide

    When our children with autism

    Make the tiniest stride

    We may look at others

    Without the problems we face

    With jealousy, hatred

    Or even distaste,

    But what they don't know

    Nor sometimes do we

    Is that children with autism

    Bring simplicity.

    We don't get excited

    Over expensive things

    We jump for joy

    With the progress work brings

    Child ren with autism

    Try hard every day

    That they make us proud

    More than words can say.

    They work even harder

    Than you or I

    To achieve something small

    To reach a star in the sky

    So to those who don't get it

    Or can't get a clue

    Take a walk in my shoes

    And I'll assure you

    That even 10 minutes

    Into the walk

    You'll look at me

    With respect, even shock.

    You will realize

    What it is I go through

    And the next time you judge

    I can assure you

    That you won't say a thing

    You'll be quiet and learn,

    Like the years that I did

    When the tables were turned......

    Posted by VotersThink... RawStory.com on 01/08/2009 @ 12:06PM PT

  94. Nicole Ortiz

    Kristina,

    A friend of mine referred me to this link and I have to say that it made me smile as well as tear up a little bit.  Thank you for capturing what most of us go through.  Our children are very special and so are we as parents.  Sometimes we forget to tell ourselves that.  As a parent trainer told me once "Make sure you go out and treat yourself once and awhile."  If I could give you a 5 dollar Starbucks card through the computer I so would.  :)

    To share a little about me and mine.  I am the single mother of an 8 year old whose official diagnosis is Fragile X Syndrome with Autistic Like Features.  Or..in plain english..Autism with a Genetic Source.  I'm also a Case Manager at an Adult Work Program for people with Developmental Disabilities.  Its hard being a single mom, but I've a lot of support and we manage just fine.  My son is somewhat non verbal but uses signs, words gestures and sometimes just shoving mommy. (though I try not to let him do that..hehe)  He was recently called the coolest kid in his class by the teacher and that made me smile.  I'm sure she meant his tempermant.  He's not prone to violence or angry meltdowns. 

    Anyway, thank you for a little bit more hope.  :)

    Nicole

    Posted by Nicole Ortiz on 01/08/2009 @ 01:54PM PT

  95. Kristina Chew

    @Dori Jaffe,Thank you so much for your kinds words--- "fighting for recovery" and the whole notion of "recovery" seemed, to me, to be calling on us to turn Charlie into something that is not him. Certainly we're always trying to teach him, but for him and grow and, if you will, become more of himself.
    @Nicole, all the just shove mom method of communication-----what can I say, sometimes whatever works just works! Very cool about the coolest kid thing; Charlie can be very mellow and other times, a few more fireworks --- all very fun!thanks for virtual caffeine!

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/08/2009 @ 09:22PM PT

  96. Holly Riley

    My son is near to full recovery. Based on scientific evidence and medical tests we have chosen to treat all of his medical needs and provide him with an extensive early intervention program including ABA, OT, ST, inclusive schooling and social skills training.

    We have been so fortunate that he has responded to most all of the treatments including mild HBOT, mB12 injections, antifungal therapy and chelation therapy along with a long list of supplements and highly individualized gf/cf diet. He is healthier than ever, but still has many medical issues that require ongoing treatment.

    So our experience is similar to what Dr. Chew describes, but the outcome is different. At the age of 5 1/2 my son is now telling me about how he felt when he couldn't talk or communicate. He remembers and it makes him sad when he thinks about that time. There is no guarantee that every child will recover, but with the proper medical attention, every child can get significantly better. I am confident, Dr. Chew, that your son benefited from the early interventions that you did with him because you continued for three years. No parent would put themselves or their child through what we do every day if we didn't get some positive results. While you seem to regret focusing on recovery so much during those early years, I sincerely hope that you haven't lost sight of what motivated you to try all of those things.

    Hope is power. Recovery has not been my goal. Recovery is possible and real for many children, but you never know if your child will achieve it until you have finished the monumental tasks that bring recovery. What I have always focused on is my child's health. If, after all of our efforts to heal his body, we were left with a healthy child/adult with autism, I was fine with that. But knowing that there were so very many medical problems that my son had, how could I not try to heal his body? As his body heals, his autism fades away.  He is now indistinguishable from his peers and succeeding in a full day kindergarten class (with no aide) in a private Catholic school.

    I offer my perspective so that others who are considering taking this path know that, while there are no guarantees, many children do achieve recovery.

    Dr. Chew teaches us all a great lesson. Regardless of where you are in your journey, it is always important to live in the moment and enjoy your child for who they are. But, I believe, that doesn't mean you have to give up your dreams for who they may become.  

    Best regards to all,
    Holly Riley, mom of Quinn, age 5, recovering from autism

    Posted by Holly Riley on 01/09/2009 @ 09:23AM PT

  97. Is it possible to change the title of this blog,
    Once Upon a Time, I Tried to Recover My Son From Autism,
    because the word, "tried", sounds like I am trying things and maybe it didn't work? The word, "Recover", is premature. Less DSM-4 symptoms, maybe upgraded to aspergers, maybe blended in more in society. Many of the blog writers are dealing with diagnosis or treatment and not recovery. 

    From reading the blog comments, what would you say is the focus of this blog. I wish there was a more positive, unifying title.

    Posted by L I on 01/09/2009 @ 10:11AM PT

  98. Trisha Schultz

    Renee -- THE major source of stress for me, as a parent of an 11 yr old with Autism IS dealing with "professionals."  We have gone to many people for help, and there have been a total of 2 doctors who were helpful, 1 simply by sending us to the other doctor instead of community mental health.  General ed teachers have been the MOST willing to learn and work with us.  Special ed teachers and therapists, both in the school system and out, have been the worst to deal with.  Talk about cookie cutter expectations.  "Support" makes me laugh.  I have been investigated by social services because I tried to get dental care for my child for years.  No one would touch her.  When I finally got her in to a university clinic, after a 6 month waiting list, they reported me for neglect because I tried to reschedule a procedure when my daughter was ill with a fever. 

    I too was once a student in the Special education field.  As future teachers, we were taught that parents know nothing, teachers know everything--even though the "methods" and "best practices" taught in teacher prep programs are about 2 decades behind what parents know really works.  Needless to say, I am no longer pursuing that field.  Instead I try to educate people, such as yourself, anyone who will listen.

    Professionals need to understand that until you have spent, say, 40 years working with these kids, you can not possibly be more of an "expert" than a parent who spends 24 hours a day caring for their child, researching not just ONE field or method, but all available (or unavailable most of the time), and educating their child in a way that actually works.

    That being said, I have occasionally encountered a doctor, a therapist, or a teacher who taught me something.  To those people I am eternally grateful.  More importantly, they treated me and my daughter with respect, and did not presume to "know more," but instead offered their point of view from their own experiences.  That is the kind of support we need.  And we also need funding for babysitters, homeschool and private school funding when public schools don't work, and insurance coverage that ACTUALLY covers something. 

    Parents of and children with Autism are victims of discrimination from the moment they receive a diagnosis, no matter which interventions they pursue.  There is no insurance coverage for developmental interventions, like Floortime or RDI which actually address the developmental progress of the child (the core deficit of Autism), rather than teach specific skills.  This is like denying insulin coverage for diabetics.  When children have gut issues, or metal issues, or food problems, the treatments are not covered BECAUSE the child has Autism, even though much of the same treatments can be covered for someone with Celiac disease, etc.

    To add insult to injury, we as parents are constantly told that we MUST do things the way the system wants us to do things, or face social services, or something else even more horrible.  When we ask for help, especially those of us without a lot of financial resources, or those of us who are single parents, we get nothing, and then we are watched and threatened.

    The only place we as parents can usually find support of any kind is on internet support groups, and as can be seen clearly with this discussion, the fighting and blaming and NOT SUPPORTING continues amongst ourselves.

    There are certainly parents out there who need "professionals" to tell them what to do, or want some "expert" to take the weight of decision-making from them.  But most of us today are well-informed, and you can bet that between the mention of the possibility of autism and an actual diagnosis, a lot parents are going to have read as much as you have for your PhD.

    So, what we need is true support: aknowledgement from professionals that a disability does NOT suddenly make our children property of the "field" or the society at large, realization amongst experts that they are only experts in one particular are, not Autism in totallity, and a united movement to end the blatant discrimination perpetrated daily by insurance companies, government, and school systems on our children.

    Posted by Trisha Schultz on 01/09/2009 @ 10:42AM PT

  99. I wish we would get rid of the labels that divide us and just be available for caring and sharing information on this blog. Our parents are the most educated to help their child. There is plenty of published autism research on the internet for each parent to discern the information. By loving our child we can help them be loved by others. It's not about cures. It's about love and what we want for our child. You never know how you have helped another person with the power of an idea.

    In 1994 my non-verbal 7 year old trashed under the kitchen table during each meal. The environmental doctor (new idea & research) about giardia, heavy metal and yeast changed meal time into something pleasant. His suffering stopped.Keep the ideas flowing.

    Posted by L I on 01/09/2009 @ 11:51AM PT

  100. Rio Gordon

    This was a very enlightening thread. It educated and challenged nearly all of my 'ideas' and 'knowledge' about the condition of autism.
    Previous to today, I had been inclined to think of it as an epidemic and related to something conditional in the environment, like a toxin or heavy metal or radioactive component as yet unknown. The idea being bandied about the Net that the condition and its prevalance are somehow related to a vast effort to 'dumb down the young' seems obtuse and ill-founded. Especially in regards to all the creative therapies that are being developed to restore more normal functioning and development in these kids.
    I am a father of a four year old boy, who was born at home in a water birth, and treated by a midwife/MD but never innoculated or vaccinated for anything due to religious beliefs and the intellectual discomfort with exposing our baby to so much 'medicine' I had heard it blandly put "vaccines cause autism" as if it were an ironclad medical fact...now Im not so sure about that point, but nevertheless, I still do not believe in this kind of medical intervention in the name of Fear and compliance with societal standard....
    I wish for all the children struggling with this that they can find more strength and internal power and healing and peace and rest in their bodies and minds, that they might be uplifted and cleansed from all ill and sickness and heaviness. It broke my heart to read about all of this.
    Thanks for the humility check, and for educating me more about this important topic...
    Get Well Charlie!

    Posted by Rio Gordon on 01/09/2009 @ 01:59PM PT

  101. Kristina Chew

    @Jan Fischer, I actually hesitated a bit before using that word, "tried." But I decided that it was important for me to put it in the post as I felt that "recovering" my son was something we'd indeed tried, attempted----and, indeed, failed at.  My thought since then is that recovery was a "goal" we were bound to fail in and was, further, the wrong sort of goal. A child might start to talk or no longer flap their hands or be able to attend school in mainstream settings and on his or her own----but there is more to being on the autism spectrum than these things. 
    Very best----

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/09/2009 @ 02:22PM PT

  102. kathleen Leopold

     When we were trying to figure out all that was going on with our son When he was just 18 months old(he's 10 now)-The word/condition/diagnosis of autism was never mentioned-it wasn't until he was three that he received a diagnosis of p.d.d.(nos)-even then, I had no  idea it was part of any spectrum...in fact, I had many conflicting views of what p.d.d. was!  His younger brother (now almost 8) was diagnosed with autism(nos) at 3 and 1/2...I look back at that time and think of how naive(sp) I was. And I am glad. Had I known how autism was perceived-I might have believed the"press" I might have treated my boys differently-as if they were broken-or defective. Which they are not. I am thankful for my ignorance. My kids are here-now. I don't have time to investigate whether or not this was enviornmental, genetic, caused by vaccines, evolution etc. My time is better spent in raising them and in trying to make the world a more accepting place for them. A place in which all people have value.

    Posted by kathleen Leopold on 01/09/2009 @ 03:51PM PT

  103. Katie miller

    @Rennee, who said, "Well, I believe if we can uncover "THE cause" then we can work toward prevention in the future but in the mean time, there are children with autism here."

    There are also many adults with autism here on this earth, and we do not all want people like us to be prevented in the future. In fact, many consider "preventing" autism to be a form of eugenics.

      "I had a former professor who was sure that the child with autism is happy in their own world because, as she put it, they know nothing about ours.  I'm not sure that I agree but I would love to hear from parents of children with autism."

    First of all, there is no "the child with autism". All autistic people, child or adult, are distinct individuals and interpret the world differently. So if you figure out how one autistic feels, you can't directly apply your findings to everyone else on the spectrum.

    If you'd like to know more about autistic people's thoughts, feelings, and emotions, find out from the individuals themselves, not their caregivers. True, some children and adults may be unable to communicate their thoughts and feelings in ways that are comprehensible to most people. But there are countless others who can communicate through speech, type, sign, PECS, pictures, and various other forms. Many autistic adults who communicate today were unable to as children, but can now describe how they felt when they were young.  I strongly urge you and all other researchers to go directly to the source, to the true voice of autism: autistics.  Neurotypical people, while also being unique individuals, often are unable to imagine what it is like to be autistic. As a result, they grandly misinterpret a great deal of autistic behavior. If parents, teachers, and researchers took more time to listen to the experiences of autistic people, they might have a better understanding about the autistic child they are trying to understand.

    Posted by Katie miller on 01/09/2009 @ 03:52PM PT

  104. Donna Kazee

    Thank you for writing this. As the mother of a son (8) with autism and extreme short gut, I have tried to avoid the trappings of cures/treatmens. However, along the way, we have benefitted from finding a special diet that did stop my son's diarrhea. Perhaps because I have a neuromuscular disability and use a wheelchair, I have always accepted my son's many differences and wished that others (family, friends, society in general) would open their minds more to neurodiversity in the form of autism. We have chosen to embrace the the hand-flapping, bouncing, fussing, and obsessing (as much as possible), but I know others who have found satisfaction in alternative parenting strategies. I wish we could all just accept there's no one perfect way to raise a child with autism.

    Posted by Donna Kazee on 01/09/2009 @ 03:53PM PT

  105. Alyson Bradley

    Hi Kristina, I am so glad you realized "When I thought about recovering Charlie from autism, I realized that I wasn’t thinking so much about what Charlie needed as what I thought I had to do as a parent." a well written and insight piece of writing, you son is one of the lucky ones because he will be allowed, accepted and understood at least by you, your so right its the ignorance and narrow-mindedness of others that's our real problem. I am a mother of an aspie child, have Aspergers myself. It took half a life time to find true self, of course we change, adapt as we grow, but I may never of known about ASD until in my forties but I never lost my autism core...

    The way I see it apart from being on the autism spectrum I have
    many co morbid / associated conditions... in fact a whole list, not sure anyone has it right, including myself. Often our labels can get over complicated and near impossible to know which bit is which, with many overlaps, but any label does not change who we are. I have my own simplified version - The center as I see it, is us - THE AUTISM HEART which is the differently minded part, which to an extent feel many NTs (the average person) just does not quite get or understand. So I feel often the most important part of us the center, gets neglected, so its no wonder we are often a little off balance.

    Surrounding the centre are a web with many chaotic paths, often disjointed and ineffective, as these neuro associated conditions, co morbid mental disorders (or misunderstood difference), environmental factors are all blamed and continue to circle around the most important part of us. I feel its time others started with our core, the center - autism heart, forget the labels. Because if our hearts were balanced fulfilled and allowed growing up, as I see it. I feel a lot of the existing links in the web, may start to fade. I feel many of our labels are often caused by others misinterpretation, dealing with small aspects of the whole person, often neglecting or not understanding our centers from when we are born.

    Those of us on the autism spectrum have some wonderful unique often under resourced talents, our quirky differences often keeping us on the edge of society. But some of the most brilliant minds have and continue to be on the autism spectrum, I feel its about time everyone embraced these unique talents and give us at least a chance, I will always have my autism heart how ever much you try and change or make me fit, a square will never fit a circle, so I can not help but wonder why so many try instead of seeing whats right in front of them, get down on your child's level and see thought their eyes....
    Alyson Bradley - Aspergers Parallel - www.asplanet.info

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    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/09/2009 @ 05:59PM PT

  106. Kerry Cohen

    Without doing much of the biomedical stuff (because we too tried during the initial days I was full of fear, because of the bogus stigma), my son might be considered "recovering" by son too, because he's growing and developing and learning, like all people do as they get older. But he's still autistic in that he is in the world in a different way from most people.

    I'm beyond offended that anyone would "pity" me or my son because of this. He's fine. Great. Better than lots of people who aren't autistic. I take no issue with treating the medical issues that might come along with a different neurology. I do take issue with the notion that so often lies behind it: that autism is a terrible, disabling disease. It certainly isn't in our case, and I'm so concerned that my son will grow up and learn that this is how he's perceived in our culture.

    Posted by Kerry Cohen on 01/09/2009 @ 07:05PM PT

  107. Alyson Bradley

    Hi Kerry
    I may be on the autism spectrum myself, but one of my biggest concerns is just like yours "that my son will grow up and learn that this is how he's perceived in our culture." it how other preceive is rally is the biggest problem, and the only way around this is AWARENESS, AWARENESS on a global scale.... other young adult will continue to be ashamed of who they are, so many worry they will be called retards if their peers find out they are on the autism spectrum, no wonder so many hid the fact or alinate they selves from a society they have as much right to live in andbe who they were born as.... but like any miniority group we have to stand up and speak out, as a friend of mine said " “A wave powered by a strong tide, becomes a force to be reckoned with. It will be seen, heard and felt by many. Some people will remain unaffected or uncaring, but others, who have not noticed the ripples before, may turn, notice and begin caring." I truly believe change is happening but always unfortunatelly the storm before the calm, I dream of a day if not for myself but for my son that we will no longer have to feel a need to hide behind any mask...... www.asplanet.info

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/09/2009 @ 07:32PM PT

  108. Kristina Chew

    " I wish we could all just accept there's no one perfect way to raise a child with autism."

    Just had to second Donna Kazee on this-----so obvious and so often forgotten (else why would we all be consulting those parent "experts")!
    @Alyson Bradley, thanks & thanks--one thing my husband Jim and I often say about Charlie is that he truly, truly has heart and in the sense, if you will, of the word "courage," thinking that it comes from the French word for heart "coeur" and the Latin word for heart "cor."   It's a cliché, but he has been and is my best teacher.
    @Kerry Cohen, pity is something I definitely respond poorly too and try (try!) just to keep from saying anything about. It was a while ago that another mother of an autistic child (in preschool; my son was about 7) said words to the effect of saying she really felt sorry for me----I think I just tried to get out of the conversation. Charlie has had so many extra challenges it often seems---not easy to realize that some have (sigh) seen him as the child they're relieved they don't have.
    Needless to say, we always make sure that he knows how much we love him, regardless and always.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/09/2009 @ 08:29PM PT

  109. VotersThink.org RawStory.com

    Ok, I think everyone would agree that a spectrum disorder would not be caused by a single variable.

    A THEORY is just that a theory with no facts.  But once you have a fact not matter how insignificant it becomes a probability. 

    Fact is Vaccines contain many allergens, viruses, animal GMO protein, toxic substances.
    Vaccines containing thimerosal contain 25,000 times more mercury than its allowable for drinking water, and that is not being drank its being injected bypassing your body defenses for mercury.
    Fact is mercury is TOXIC to nervous system, it is also the most toxic non-radioactive element on earth.
    The safe dose for human mercury has been established for Methyl-Mercury from fish being consumed, not for Ethyl-mercury from thimerosal which is a different compound and not consumed but injected, and under this guideline a newborn would have to weigh 275pounds to absorb a HepB thimerosal shot.
    Its is also a fact that LEAD is prevalent and toxic to humans
    There is Latex in vaccines
    There are animal protein in vaccines
    There are various viruses in vaccines
    One could argue that live or attenuated viruses can cause a full blown disease, just how do you kill a virus which we can't even classify as living, a virus can't replicate itself, virus doesn't move, virus doesn't eat, virus just exists and floats around
    There is never a vaccine which has a completely isolated virus, just how could they isolate a virus and get rid of all other stuff from lets say eggs, human diploid cells (aborted fetal tissue), or monkey kidneys

    Thousands of parents notice regression of their children following vaccines.  I talked to to many people, have met people who got Polio from Polio vaccine, this is even listed as a side effect.  Sadly many people don't talk about SIDS for SIDS I am sure is caused by Vaccines in many cases.  When you inject a child with a brew of toxic chemicals and animal proteins which human body was never exposed to before, you can't expect the same behavior in each child.  Many parents say that their child developed fever following vaccinations, inconsolable crying, they they feel relief when child falls asleep from crying itself to sleep, they think its over and when they come to the baby in the moring, their baby is dead, and some with hemmoraging behind their eyes are blamed for shaken baby syndrome.

    The whole idea of all vaccines fitting all of our children is LUNACY. 

    I could have accepted our childs Autism and try to make everything around him to better suit him, but I/we choose a different approach.  We decided to make him better so he could live a normal life is possible.

    There is full blown Autism which is permanent, with no gut, issues.

    Then there is environment/vaccine induced autism where inflammation, infection, sensisitivity, allergies, manifest themselves with autistic like behaviours.

    To some people who think we should leave autistic children as they are, why should't we make them healthy first.

    My son was speaking at 6months, talking/point/saying names of things at 9-15months, walking 10months, at his HEALTH CHECKUP he got MMR then few months later another DPT shot, then gradually the DIARRHEA started, his eye contact was gone, you could say his SOUL has abandoned him, he would stare at the wall, be completely non-social, non-verbal, didn't care daddy came back from work, slept 5hours a night, and you're telling me to accept autism, this simply is bigger than just a brain disorder.  Something "damaged" his brain and hopefully we can fix everything else around him so his brain can heal.

    I feel deeply sorry for the parents of children who have no hope of recovery.  Nobody knows what it means to have an autistic or disable child unless it happens to you.  People who have no autistic children tell us what we should do.

    I would never accept Autism as God's will.

    Posted by VotersThink... RawStory.com on 01/09/2009 @ 09:17PM PT

  110. VotersThink.org RawStory.com

    I should also say that we humans, are more alike than we are different.  We always try to segregate ourselfs: black, white, small, big, rich, poor, educated, dumb, etc etc. we are taught to see each other as different instead of the same.  Its time to unite and work for a better tomorrow for our children deserve it.

    Like the ending in www.zeitgeistmovie.com says:

    I have spend the entire life trying to be good at something, but I have realized that I should try to understant who I actually am.

    Posted by VotersThink... RawStory.com on 01/09/2009 @ 09:26PM PT

  111. Rose Walker

    Miss Kristina:

    You probably won't see my comment among all the others.  I just want to thank you for this post.  You and I have travelled a very similar road. It is unreal to think that at one time it was more important to "cure" our children rather than accept them.  What a learning process parenting is...

    Here's a ((hug)) that you  have the strength to do this.  We love you, and Charlie.  Thanks for allowing us to be a part of your lives. (Jim's okay, too, I guess!)

    Rose, Ben and Joel.

    Posted by Rose Walker on 01/10/2009 @ 04:50AM PT

  112. Lee Schwalenberg

    Genetics?  That is just an excuse.  Besides the fact genetics is alterable in a positive way!  Linking autism to genetics is just nearsighted.

    Speaking of nearsighted, that's the perfect example.  Since, the 1980's there has been a huge upswing with people who've needed corrective lenses.  Now would you call that change a change in genetics?  I thought it took a long time to change the gene pool?  Just some food for thought.

    Posted by Lee Schwalenberg on 01/10/2009 @ 10:14AM PT

  113. Alyson Bradley

    Being born with a autism core/heart I feel sad that some people still see autism as a kind of wrong, some still think a vaccine or somethink gave it to us.... I have always had autism like many in my family for generations I believe and feel was born with a difference, which I have no problem with, but many seem to. I often feel those of us on the autism spectrum do not have the problem... but those that do not truly understand seem to;

    VACCINES! my take:
    Being on the SAutism Spectrum myself I do not and have never suffered, just differently minded. So personally I feel there is NO link to sutism and vaccines I was born different... I am not a expert in the vaccine field, but feel we all have to make our own minds up and the best way to do that is listen to the real experts, top research centers and up to date info.

    My gut feeling even before reading all the best research information would still be NO. I do not take any think lightly, as very rarely even take any form of medication or drugs... but I do believe these vaccines save many lives.. scare mongering kills!

    Just some expert opinions:
    The MMR Vaccine and Autism -Tim Worstall
    This rather surprised me in the papers this morning.

    The measles, mumps and rubella vaccine is safe and does not cause autism, the most comprehensive study carried out on the jab has concluded.

    Is there anybody out there who seriously thinks it does?

    No, that's being unkind I think, my position is clearly influenced by the fact that I actually know something about the background. (Disclosure, I'm paid to write about Simon Baron Cohen's theories elsewhere and given that he's the head of the Autism Research Centre at Cambridge, obviously some of the knowledge has sunk in.)

    The observed rise in autism incidence from the early 1980s onwards has been down to two things.

    1) The diagnosis was changed then from being purely what we might call "classic autism" to the autism spectrum, including conditions like Asperger's Syndrome. Change the diagnosis and you'll change the incidence, obviously.

    2) If Baron Cohen is correct (and he does seem to be) there's been a rise in assortative mating. This leads to more children with the extreme systemizing brain type which is the definition of autism.

    No, it hasn't been the use of mercury in vaccines, which is the current US woo woo scare. (When Japan removed such mercury from childhood vaccins the autism rate continued to climb just the same as everywhere else.) Nor is it the MMR vaccine, which has been the woo woo scare here.

    So can we get back to people vaccinating their children please? We really don't want to return to visions of children dying, being brain damaged, by measles, do we? Or children being born deaf, dumb and blind as a result of their mothers getting rubella while pregnant? Nor, if I might mention something closer to home*, a return to 1% of adult male mumps sufferers becoming infertile?

    The Centers for Disease Control says "There is no convincing scientific evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site."

    The American Academy of Pediatrics says"No scientific data link thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines with any pediatric neurologic disorder, including autism."

    The Food and Drug Administration conducted a review in 1999 -- the year thimerosal was ordered to be removed from most vaccines -- and said that it "found no evidence of harm from the use of thimerosal as a vaccine preservative, other than local hypersensitivity reactions."

    The Institute of Medicine’s Immunization Safety Review Committee concluded "that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism."

    And a study of California Department of Developmental Services data published last month indicated that there was "an increase in autism in California despite the removal of thimerosal from most vaccines."

    MMR vaccine 'does not cause autism' - Telegraph
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/18/nmmr118.xml

    How Safe Are Vaccines? 21 May 2008 by Alice Park - Time
    Interesting article, I guess until there are clear guild lines we will all have to make up our own minds:http://www.time.com/time/health/article0,8599,1808438,00.html

    Nearly all experts say NO - you decide.


    But fad treatments, alternative treatments is big business - money to be made. Maybe I will start my own fad treatments and charge (water and exercise) work better than most fad treatments!

    The great autism rip-off
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1023351/The-great-autism-rip---
    How-huge-industry-feeds-parents-desperate-cure-children.html
    I hope this helps explain a little more, enlighten some!
    Aspergers Parallel Planet - www.asplanet.info

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/10/2009 @ 10:53AM PT

  114. @ Alyson,
    My son, like you, was born with an Asperger core.  I know that, at 9 1/2, he has the same core that he had when he was born.  I love him so much that I wouldn't change his core even if I could! 
    I love hearing from adults with autism.  Autism awareness can only come from people like you and others with autism, like many who post here, since yours is a first person account.
    By posting online, you also give me examples to show my son since no one in our family has officially been diagnosed with any type of autism (although some ADHD.)
    Thanks for contributing!

    Posted by Beth Costa on 01/10/2009 @ 11:37AM PT

  115. Kerry Cohen

    I'm with Beth. I too always listen most to autistic adults and seek out their ideas and advice. I also know my son was born as he is. He is a 5 year old version today of who he was as a newborn. He isn't a person with a disease or disability. He communicates differently than I do, that's true. And sometimes that takes some hard work on my part. But autism is a part of his core personality. And I think he's great! Something I love is that when he reads the word "autism" he always reads it as "awesome." That's my boy!

    Posted by Kerry Cohen on 01/10/2009 @ 11:49AM PT

  116. I have noticed that autism has evolved from the nothingness(no resources) of the 1980's and 1990's when I had a child to raise to different groups(adult autistic, parents, neurodiversity etc) with great information and different point of views.  How can we CONNECT and reach out to each other? We need each other because there is no system in place to go for help.

    Stages of Grief- Each Person's Individual Journey-  How am I coping and How do I find the help I need. (recover-from-grief.com)
    1. Shock/Denial- Emotional Protection/Disbelief- My life totally changed unexpectantly. I am in the darkness.
    2. Pain/Guilt- Suffering/unbelievable pain- I am alone, where is the help I need? Why Me?
    3. Anger/Bargain- What cause this/What went wrong- vaccines/genetics etc.? How am I going to survive this?
    4. Depression/Reflection/Loneliness- True magnitude of the loss. Isolate
    5. Upward Turn- Find ways to adjust to Life. We have parents in the Blog at this stage.
    6. Reconstruction/ Work Thru- Seeking realistic solutions that help keep our family's sanity.
    7. Accept/Hope- I will never be the same but I can move forward. Sometimes I am at this level. There
                               are Adult Autistics at this level.
    8.Complicated, prolong grief- part of your identity, reluctant to release the grief. I was stuck here for awhile.
                               That is why I look 10 years older than my age.

    Each of us has a fear of the unknown (what will the future be) and each of us have important ideas and answers that could help someone. We can only become self-empowered (give power to ourselves) by talking to each other. If we can't talk to each other then how can we help ourselves. We feel alone because government services are fragmented as we struggle trying to find help while helping our child(child or adult) and fitting in the world. Each of us are in a different place with a different frustration tolerance (cry for help) for autism is complex.

    This Blog is the supportive community that we are looking for, where we can be accepted. 
    I have learned more about neurodiversity. I think it will be exciting(more insights into who they are and how these children helped themselves). On our blog I've noticed that there are several adult autistics with blog sites. Great places to learn how an autistic adult  feels, issues they face, what the future will be like etc.) Then there is the new people struggling and coping. I remember how that felt. There is a lot of love and different parenting styles out there which is great.

    This is my dream:
    In 2007 the CDC said autism affects 1:150. There will be many autistic people who have siblings in the work place. The very things autistic adults are saying(fitting in and getting ahead in the workplace) is what my other son is doing. Imagine... our child siblings opening doors for our grown-up adult autistic children. Siblings are aware of the autistic person. They have more acceptance in working with the person and treating them like everyone else. They value the gifts the person has(creativity, thinking out of the box). It can be frustrating.  Not sure how but maybe we could all work toward making our dreams for society happen. What is your dream for society?

    Posted by L I on 01/10/2009 @ 12:16PM PT

  117. @Jan,
    I am optimistic, like you, that as the siblings (cousins, also) of kids with autism grow up and enter the workforce, they will be an asset to people with autism.  My son is the oldest of 3 kids (the other two are neurotypical.)  They also have cousins. The kids are close in age  and we discuss Asperger's openly.  They really don't see my AS son as "different"; they just see him as "Nicholas". 

    Posted by Beth Costa on 01/10/2009 @ 12:47PM PT

  118. Alyson Bradley

    Jan, I so agree with you its how we educate how children thats important, my son also have no problemn with having aspergers, its just a part of who he is... generally he does not discuss with others as he finds no real need and also unforunatelly lack of understanding. But I fel the next generation with our help will be a huge asset to the workforce, until so many of the older generation who have had to suffer and like myself slowly are undoing the damage society has unintentionally caused so many of us.

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/10/2009 @ 01:19PM PT

  119. Kristina Chew

    @Kerry Cohen, autism & awesome----there must be some way to make up a (catchy) phrase with both of those.
    Am very hopeful about my son entering the workforce; just hoping that there will be jobs for him. His preference for routine and what can I say, his steadfastness, would make him a solid employee.
    We always try very hard to see the world as he does, and, too, to let go of our presumptions and predispositions about things, and try on a different perspective. Certainly life with Charlie has changed us very much in this.
    @Rose Walker, big hi from all 3 of us!

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/10/2009 @ 04:05PM PT

  120. I can never understand how parents can be convinced their children were born this way or that given most babies are injected with HepB vacciness before they are even 48 hours old.  I know for certain that my child could nurse better before his first vaccine, the HepB.  My son wasn't born with a feeding problem, he developed one 'coincidentally' after vaccination.  Can someone please explain to me what testing was ever done to prove it was safe to vaccinate neonates?  To vaccinate babies before the blood/brain barrier is functional?  To give several vaccinations together?  Why is it so difficult to understand that something that may very well be safe can be used in a manner that obviates its safety?

    I'm happy parents of autistic children love them just the way they are.  But, honestly, I'm more happy that I didn't have to figure out how to be one of them.  Not that I wouldn't have done it, but having an autistic child doesn't just affect the parents.  It also requires the other children in the home to accept that forevermore the imbalance of attention and resources needed for the autistic child.  I'm happy that we figured out a way to heal my son's body, and when his body healed,  his autistic symptoms disappeared.  I understand other parents may not want to do the things we did for fear of 'experimenting' on their child.  What I don't understand is how they think the things they do are actually any less experimental.

    Posted by Amom whoblamesva... on 01/10/2009 @ 04:17PM PT

  121. Alyson Bradley

    Diana
    Lets just say autism has been in my family for many years, before vaccines and there are many brilliant minds who maybe would not be here if not autistic, we are all born as unique indidviduals some more different than others, some treated less fairly!

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/10/2009 @ 04:35PM PT

  122. If one were to compare my son at 5 when he was diagnosed with Asperger's and ADHD to my son today (4 years later), one would likely ask me what we have done to help him advance so far.  While he certainly still has AS and ADHD, his AS symptoms have improved so much that it is far less obvious now, especially to a casual observer.
    If I had done the biomed treatments, I could point to these as the reason why he has improved so much.  If I tried to, I could probably even find someone to evaluate him and say that they think he has recovered from Asperger's since his symptoms have improved so significantly.  But we didn't do biomed.  He has been in public school special ed for 4 years and received speech, OT and social skills through the school (although his OT is now discontinued due to his progress).  And we have treated him like a regular kid at home, with some minor adaptions during times when he needs extra clarification of instruction, for example.
    He has not recovered from Asperger's.  But he has developed some significant skills in many areas.  His progress is due to the combination of school services, family support and the natural process of growing and developing that all children do, autistic or not.  A developmental delay does not equal developmental stagnation.  Even without excessive intervention, children on the spectrum will grow and develop skills and advance.  They are not static beings.

    Posted by Beth Costa on 01/10/2009 @ 04:37PM PT

  123. Alyson Bradley

    Kristina "autism & awesome"
    Maybe it should just be Awesome spectrum disorder, I can not help but think the bad stigma attached to autism will never go away.

    or maybe awesome is what the A stands for!
    Awesome
    Unique
    Talented
    Intriging
    Special
    Minds

    I know it should not be about a label, thats just the part that helps us all understand, so maybe if we have to be labelled we should be neurological different which we are, or simply differently minded individuals...

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/10/2009 @ 04:41PM PT

  124. Your story is inspirational. Your child has improved significantly. What you have done could be a do-able way to live peacefully with autism. The first step is to see the child as a regular kid. I couldn't make progress with my child until the school's mental health services made me understand how important it is to see them as a regular kid. Behavior improved alot at home after that.

    Whatever efforts people are making to help their kids I support. As a child I was forced to advocate for my mentally retarded brother at IEP meetings. Also having had an autistic child I know that schools aren't going to give our kids resources and services unless they see kids are improving. I celebrate your child and family.

    I think each of us holds a piece of the puzzle to help others and to help society have a place for our kids.

    Posted by L I on 01/10/2009 @ 05:01PM PT

  125. @Alyson - I think autism is not understood well enough to know all the causes.   I believe 'brilliant minds' may well be a commonality.

    @Beth - I'm glad your son is doing well.   "Waiting to see if years of special education will make our son indistinguishable from his peers" is an experiment that we chose not to do.  By the time he was old enough for public school, he no longer qualified for special education.  He did qualify for ECI.

    Posted by Amom whoblamesva... on 01/10/2009 @ 05:14PM PT

  126. Elizabeth Hensley

    I don't mind being autistic but I do mind the fact my gut is on fire. i could have done without the measles vaccination that caused that. And it probably did. They recently did a study and the headlines read :Study shows no connection between measles vaccine and gut problemns." But I read the story. Down at the bottom of it it mentioned that the study only included 50 kids 25 with autism and 25 with just gut problems. And they DID find the measles virus in the guts of 2 of those 50 kids. Even if that were the cause of our agony for two out of fifty of us, that adds up to millions of People. Plus using a biopsy needle to find the measles virus is less accurate than blindly trying to find a freckle with a bioposy needle. If the needle goes between the feckle or virus it wont' find it so the actual number of Kids with measles in their gut may still be higher. They recently gave the same kind of monkeys they use to test the safety of individual vaccines ALL of them the same way they do children. The resutls were sick monkeys with autistic behaviors and the same kind of painful gut problems I've got. http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/sick-monkeys-st.html Also I have found if I avoid MSG I avoid the melt downs that were costing me socially big time. It isn't easy to avoid because it hides under 30 different names including "Natural flavorings /which may or may not be MSG. MSG in in EVERY live virus shot and it is a proven exicitotoxin (kills brain cells)! And when humans are stressed things can cross the blood brain barrior that otherwise cannot cross. Children being stuck with needles are often VERY terrified and stressed! http://www.truthinlabeling.org

    Posted by Elizabeth Hensley on 01/10/2009 @ 05:58PM PT

  127. Robert  Adams

    Alyson, while I agree with your sentiment and understand what your trying to imply, I think there can be a danger in overly positive imagery of autism.  No different than if a person were overly positive about being neurotypical.

    Awesome - I don't see myself as awesome, but rather a mundane autistic
    Unique - I don't think I'm all that unique to most autistics 
    Talented - Yes, in certain areas but no different than a talented NT
    Intriging - Depends on who you ask
    Special - No, not really.
    Minds - Mine works differently and I need acceptance and help at the same time

    I don't think the answer to autistic bigotry, which is clearly present on this board in subconscious ways, is to go to the other extreme and overly positive views of being autistic.  Like all folks, we have our positives and negatives.  Its the view that there is only one legitimate way of being that is the really dangerous and destructive view of humanity.  For instance, if a child begins to understand that he is only valued when he appears "typical" (whatever that is) and is told he was "recovered from autism, which turns out to be only temporary, what will happen to the parent child relationship if that child, as he/she ages, begins to experience problems with abstract thinking or social problems in school?

    If that child is bullied because his peers recognize his difference, will he consider it a personal failure and find himself in a deep personal depression? Or is it better to arm him/her with the knowledge that he/she is different, he is autistic, and it is ok to be autistic.  There is a power in self knowledge.  It helps you to search for ways to accommodate your differences because in the end you only have yourself to depend on.  If you go through life thinking everything is your fault, you tend to give up.  Oh well, the world tells me I'm not worth anything unless I'm able to be just like everyone else around me.  

    What safety net will there be for these typically developing AS kids, who appear somewhat typical during the early elementary years, only to experience deep problems when they reach levels where the social demands exceed their ability to navigate.  I think they will have some serious psychological issues they will have to deal with later in life.  

    Luckily, I never had to be disabused (love that word, disabused) of the notion that I was ever "normal".  I've always been a disappointment to someone in my life.  I've always ridden the "short bus", which by the way I loved as a child.  I was on one of those big buses as a child and remember how long it took me to go from one end to the other.  I couldn't imagine having been an AS child having to walk that line twice a day while being bullied the whole time.  Thank goodness I didn't have to live through that for years on years.  Some in my support group talk about how they were brutally bullied on their school bus.  All of us on the short bus were "freaks", though there was one girl on my bus in 7th grade that was really mean and mocking.  She had CP, not the severe kind but the kind that was just enough to get you on the "short bus". She would really make fun of the other kids who had to use wheel chairs and had more severe forms of CP.  Spaz was a word she used a lot.  I suspect she was just projecting her own bullying, but I can only see that as an adult.

    Anyway, I'm starting to ramble.  Good night.

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/10/2009 @ 06:04PM PT

  128. Robert  Adams

    "I don't mind being autistic but I do mind the fact my gut is on fire."

    Elizabeth, I hope you have seen a gastroenterologist.  You sound like you have a serious issue there that could be life threatening if your stomach (not sure what a gut is) feels like it is on fire.  You could also be suffering from appendicitis which is life threatening.  Get yourself to a medical center, call 911 if you have to.  I've had to do that before, not for stomach issues but I was accidently stabbed one time.  Its not all that scary.  

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/10/2009 @ 06:17PM PT

  129. Anna Moore

    I am the mother of twins (boy/girl) now 9. My son is diagnosed PDD-NOS he is clearly Aspeger's but I do not pursue another label,  I dont feel I need to. He is on The spectrum & that's that. His twin sister seems to be neurotypical, she is gifted intellectually.I would like to hear your thoughts on how 2 children conceived at the same time can have different neuological issues? My daughter walked on her toes until she was almost 3. Yet she functions with no issues.

    Posted by Anna Moore on 01/10/2009 @ 06:43PM PT

  130. Alyson Bradley

    Robert Adams
    In reply to your comment I was not being over positive,  I was simply replying to another comment that suggested awesome and autism go together, just a bit of fun really.

    The dark side of autism I know only to well, lived in it, around it until I found aspergers and was diagnosed myself.


    Awesome - I don't see myself as awesome, but rather a mundane autistic
    Unique - I don't think I'm all that unique to most autistics 
    Talented - Yes, in certain areas but no different than a talented NT
    Intriging - Depends on who you ask
    Special - No, not really.
    Minds

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/10/2009 @ 07:32PM PT

  131. Alyson Bradley

    Anna Moore
    I am a twin and have aspergers my twin brother has not been diagnosed, but is quite possibally on the autism spectrum. But as me and my twin are a boy and a girl just like your twins we are not idential, therefore not the same, different poeple different genes etc...

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/10/2009 @ 07:36PM PT

  132. Alyson Bradley

    Elizabeth Hensley
    If your on the Autsim spectrum and have gut problems you may well have IAPs gut disorder - Doona Williams is probally a good web site to read up on this, good luck.

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/10/2009 @ 07:41PM PT

  133. Anna Moore

    I understand that but conceived together, carried together, yet different. I understand 2 different eggs. My son as an infant wouldnt make eye contact yet smiled, laughed etc........ The day he had his MMR shot is when things changed, he had a blank stare. When they would play with blocks my daughter would build them, he would smell them. LOL! I love their differenes they compliment each other so well.  Just thought I would share the twin issue.

    Posted by Anna Moore on 01/10/2009 @ 07:51PM PT

  134. Alyson Bradley

    Anna Moore
    Sounds just like me twin brother, sat there from when born... did not have a MMR, quite often with twins you get one very active that was me the girl and a quiter twin, often the more active twin takes a lead role...

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/10/2009 @ 08:05PM PT

  135. Anna Moore

    That's true my daughter was very active.....My son had to be pushed & pushed to get him to roll over for parinatal ultrasound's. He was 6lbs 13oz she was only 4lbs 7ozs. She was put into the high risk category yet at 10 months old,  tested out as an 18month old. They considered him fine & didnt include him in the testing. I have O negative blood, so had to have RX factor shots while pregant & also had pregnancy induced high blood pressure. I was on a low dose of high blood pressure meds.......just wonder if any of that played a role.

    Posted by Anna Moore on 01/10/2009 @ 08:41PM PT

  136. to Anna,
    I used to work as a teacher's aide for a school for kids with special needs.  There were some self-contained special ed classrooms and some integrated rooms with both special needs and neurotypical kids.  There was a girl in my class (self-contained) with pretty severe autsim.  Her twin sister (fraternal) was one of the NT kids in the integrated room.  We also had one boy who was moderately PDD/autistic who had an identical twin brother also with PDD/autism.
    It's very interesting.

    Posted by Beth Costa on 01/10/2009 @ 09:23PM PT

  137. Alyson Bradley

    Anna Moore "had to have RX factor shots while pregant & also had pregnancy induced high blood pressure. I was on a low dose of high blood pressure meds.......just wonder if any of that played a role."

    I do not feel its anything that you have done, I had no medication when pregnant and my older son is on the autism spectrum, also my mother never took any medication when pregnant... I still believe its genetic somehow, but there are no 100% answers just like the universe, that's why we all wonder, but autism traits are throughout my extended family to varying degrees...

    "While researchers have yet to understand what causes AS, there is likely a genetic component. Recent research results suggest current hormone abnormalities in women with AS and their mothers. Direct investigations of serum testosterone levels and genetic susceptibility to high testosterone production or sensitivity in women with AS would illuminate the origin of these conditions, research on going, Advances in autism research: genetic influences research into the causes, diagnosis, and the treatment of ASD has advanced interactively. Imaging studies have shown that many major brain structures are implicated in autism. Other research is focusing on the role of neurotransmitters such as serotonin, dopamine, and epinephrine. The past decade has been marked by an increased interest in the genetic basis of autism, and recent developments point to genetic factors playing a prominent role in the causes for ASD."I always feel if you want to know the answers, best to read research from the best centre like http://www.autismresearchcentre.com
    otherwise we are all just guessing... to me finding aspergers was finding self and made sense of my life, I truly have no problem with being differently minded, many others seem to and that's has been my biggest problem in life, hopefully with more awareness and understand our children can live fulfilling lives.



    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/11/2009 @ 03:28AM PT

  138. Kristina Chew

    @Diana Schaffer, you wrote:"I'm happy parents of autistic children love them just the way they are.  But, honestly, I'm more happy that I didn't have to figure out how to be one of them."
    Regardless of "what" my child "had," I think I would have had some figuring out to do,  to become a parent to her or him. I'm used to being different---being Asian American---and, while my son is "different" in a very different sense (though half Asian American himself), some of my own growing up different has been something I've drawn upon.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/11/2009 @ 04:26AM PT

  139. @Kristina Chew- I thought your comment, "growing up different has been something I've drawn upon," is a great tool to use.

    @Robert Adams- I was very interested in what you had to say. In the 5th grade my son's class read, 'The Acorn People'. It's a story about mentally retarded kids who just die at summer camp. Mental health services helped. My son was upset that this was the "highest level he could reach in life" based on the story. He was upset by class discussion of the book. He saw himself "reaching higher than normal people". The social worker helped him realize that he defines who he is. People don't know us. They can only know what we tell them about ourselves. I am who I say I am and not what you say I am.

    At college my son called me to talk to a girl. He wanted me to help explain Autism. I spoke briefly but she was "freaked". It was then that I looked at the DSM4 symptoms of autism. I told him  that he fitted in after hearing him say he fitted in. My son's own identity is that he fits in the world and his differently wired brain gives him talents that others will never have.  School's job is to help us fit into the world. He will always have an autism heart. Being at an art college he looked like the rest of the right brain students at the school. He sees autism as a gift. I still can't understand his voice on the answering machine. When a class was cancelled he just kept showing up at the same place for a couple of months. The dorm was going to kick him out because he had trouble understanding rules. We were required to fly 500 miles to discuss the matter. Later, the college did get someone to help dorm students navigate the system. There are other things that show an autism heart. But if you were to take him to a doctor today he wouldn't be diagnosed autistic. Diagnosis means there is severe discrepancies. He wasn't severe. When he is tired it is difficult to manage all the "splinter skills" he has learned. He has the signs of autism but he has found ways to accommodate to the world. If you are in a healthy environment you can learn thru self-knowledge and help from others how to fit in.

    My brother didn't fit in until college. As a child I was forced to "raise him". An IQ test in the 1960's kept you out of regular classes. He went from the warehousing/snake pit of special ed where nothing was done and kids bullied. In 3rd grade his teacher got him into some regular classes. He was placed in my other brother's class for years. He was the only kid on the high school bus protected by his sisters. We had problems. Only special ed transportation available at the time. It was hard on my other brother. Finally when he attended Junior College(healthy environment) that specialized in learning disabilities he was able to make sense of learning, people and the world. They had auditory and visual processing,study skills, Lindamood bell (auditory discrimination in depth), adaptive PE and he moved up several grade levels in months. That built his self-esteem. He identified himself as smart because he made quick progress. He always felt he was smart. He had the Learning Disability Department helping him with teachers. The world started making sense to him and he enjoys school. He can attend any college now as long as he doesn't take too many classes at one time.

    I think the scariest time with autism was what you mentioned, bulllied, personal failure, and deep depression. Thanks for giving words to this experience, Robert. At the end of 5th grade the teacher explained that the 6th grade teacher had a different way of teaching. We couldn't change tracks. I don't think any of the teachers wanted a kid who was sent home by the principal everytime the class had a substitute teacher. Well regardless of my efforts my son shut down, became non-functional with very unusual behaviors.I have talked to other parents with this problem. We took him out of the school and sent him to an alternative school. The teacher, who I will always be grateful for, used love to reach him. The teacher was gifted in reaching him. By the end of the semester I had back my beautiful son. So this is how we got through the shut down, regressive period caused by too much stress from the teacher and school.

    I remember the wonderful 5th grade teacher telling me he couldn't protect my son on the playground. The 7th grade special day class teacher said the same thing. I told them, "I was holding them responsible if anything happened". We had few if any problems. The teachers knew he was vulnerable, they were both wonderful teachers but I wasn't going to give them my permission (which is what they really wanted at the time) to have no one looking out for my child.



    Posted by L I on 01/11/2009 @ 08:22AM PT

  140. Kristina Chew

    thanks for noting what I wrote about "growing up different"---it's a topic I would like to return to.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/25/2009 @ 01:50PM PT

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  142. Alyson Bradley

    @Robert Adams - when you say "bullied because his peers recognize his difference," this is truly one of our biggest problems and some never recover from there school years, children often terrified there peers will find out, even today because of first there own self esteem and secondly what others will think..

    there are so many issues and those like myself who also have additional learning disorders like dyslexia and dyspraxia just a few of my "fruit saalad mix" as Donna Williams likes to say many of us have many associated and co-morbid condirtion and these are what often causes more pain than our autism heart, the differently minded part, I was so misunderstood growing up but this was niot all due to my, misunderstood aspergers and for many years my misunderstood differences caused my so much unnecessary pain and hert, I guess I am lucky I survived unlike some I know.... butI feel it was my associated conditions that held me back the most, my aspergers quirky different minded part with the right support may of helped me in life, its beginning to now I accept, understand and allow...

    Recent info from www.asplanet.info:
    A misunderstood difference - various comments, studies show:"Children in 'learning difficulty - More than one in six school children has some form of learning difficulty,a survey suggested. Specialist learning support teachers across the country were surveyed for the charity Mindroom, which helps children and adults with learning difficulties. It claimed the results showed that more than 120,000 youngsters -17.2% of schoolchildren - were affected by a recognised learning difficulty, such as dyslexia, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, asperger syndrome or tourette syndrome."

    "Families of children with autism face unprecedented financial strain compared to those with other special needs, according to a new federal survey of nearly 40,000 children with special health needs. Parents dealing with autism pay more for health care, are three times as likely to cut back on work hours to care for children and are more likely to face other financial and marital problems, researchers found. "

    "The siblings of children with autism-spectrum disorders, such as one child who may be profoundly affected by the disorder. "I'd kill for him. But I could kill him, too," said his sister, whose younger brother has Asperger's syndrome. "Because socially he needs help, so I have to protect him and be there for him more than a normal big sister would."

    I can so relate to this para. as I had to look after my twin brother this way and I was on the autism spectrum myself, it was bad for me, but a lot worst for him growing up, a living hell in parts. Of course neither of us knew back then, he now chooses not to know, and his only son has been diagnosed with Aspergers!
    Jan Fischer
    When you say "They can only know what we tell them about ourselves. I am who I say I am and not what you say I am." your so right of course, I was only diagnosed myself less than 2 years ago, to my one of my better discoveries in life as things started to make sense for the first time... but before that I had no idea myself, if you mentioned the word aspergers to me before I discovered self I would of had no idea what the word meant, so it is important that we all come together worldwide whatever our experience, as we all have our own unique story and share and RAISE AWARENESS WORLD WIDE, as it truly has no boundaries...
    before so many things never made sense to me, now I am beginning to make sense of things but that takes a while and I have found so many like myself and nolonger feel alienated, the aspie/auite community have embraced me as one of there own and for the first time in my life I truly feel like I belong some where, but my journey continues and I have no idea where it will lead...

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/11/2009 @ 01:56PM PT

  143. @Alyson Bradley. You wrote, "the aspie/auite community have embraced me as one of there own and for the first time in my life I truly feel like I belong some where" and tears came to my eyes. I have never been allow to say to our parents or the people in our city(this is a great city to live) what a great son I have. People bring up the past but can't stand to hear anything about the present. He lives in a big city and has plenty of friends. So I am including my son's picture and just wanting to say that I am very proud of him. "Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful man".  It's really the first opportunity I have ever had. It's just something I need to do to feel like a whole person.  I know you guys will be supportive this one time.

    I was inspired by Alyson Bradley's RAISE AWARENESS WORLD WIDE. We do need to show the world that there is no boundaries for our kids. We need to make the world see what we see about our kids in our families. They are great!! In the dark ages(1980's & 1990's) Autism was seen as a death sentence for parents when I raised my son. How would you describe autism now? So many kids are improving by different parenting styles(cure, no cure etc.) we have to let the world know what we already know.

    I wanted to comment on the term "lifelong disability". Having raised two generations (my brother and my son) this is how I feel about lifelong disability. I was taught by my brother. Both of them have their own definitions about who they are. My brother is smart and my son fits into the world and has the gifts of autism. They think of themselves as normal.

    When they first entered school and to first get services it was necessary to be labelled as disabled. The label, "lifelong disabillity" is just emotional baggage they don't need. If you believe something to be true, you act accordingly. They believe they fit in the world and feel normal. They have become their own person with a "mix salad, mix bag" of strenghts and weaknesses just like the rest of us. Lifelong disability implies defective, something different from the rest. My brother made me understand this. I was believing when he lived with me as an adult that he was defective and this made him feel defective. These words were destroying him. Except for our childhood journey in both of their pasts, to me they are just like me. This helps raise the expectations that other people will have of them. At the part time alternative school he attended the most important concept was to raise the bar, not lower the bar of behavior and achievement. Just like in college my son was going around trying to explain himself and autism to others who noticed he was different. It is so great that he doesn't pay attention to these people because he knows inside that he fits in and therefore is like everyone else. Why should our kids live their lives explaining themselves to people who will never understand. A Simple life is the best.

    My brother gets DVR(Dept. of Vocational Rehab) and Social Security (SSI) which qualifies him for medicare. He owed $75,000 before getting the medicare card. Now no one is responsible for his health care. My son refuses services which is fine with me.

    It all goes back to the social worker telling me that I must treat my son like a regular kid. Our whole family and our son reacted by feeling they had more normal lives. By being normal the entire family can forget things that happened in the past. We can live in the present.

    Just like Kristina Chew said, "my own growing up different has been something I've drawn upon", my brother's words helped me to raise my son in a healthy way. My son is a great person who happens to have autism. The emphasis is on person.



     

    Posted by L I on 01/11/2009 @ 08:54PM PT

  144. EVELYN GRADY

    I do not understand your statement here: "We read about chelation and concluded, this was also not for Charlie (Jim kept referring back to one sentence in a certain book about giving a child diflucan, with the result that the child "lies motionless" and appears dead)."  Diflucan is an anti-fungal drug, NOT a CHELATION treatment which removes heavy metals. 

    There are many ways to achieve chelation with natural products, although the amino acid chelations have worked well with many thousands of children.  It has been used for decades to treat lead poisoning in children, and was never labeled as "dangerous" by the medical heirarchy until it became utilized for Autism therapy. I wonder why the medical system wants to scare people away from doing this???  Two main reasons that I can see: 1.) The autistic children are tested for heavy metals whereby the lab tests confirm that there is a significant heavy metal accumulation in these children, which has resulted from the massive vaccine schedule.  2.)  Once the heavy metals are removed these children at the very least improve, some improve dramatically, and some respond with actual recovery. 

    It is obviously more important for the pharmaceutical industry and the medical system to protect it's own financial interests than to utilize chelation therapy for autism.  It is standard medical procedure for children with lead poisoning, but that's OK with them because the lead wasn't injected into these children by THEM.  Now the mercury and aluminum is another story because THEY are the responsible parties for this epidemic of over 1 million children in the U.S. alone now.  They need to keep the propaganda and the coverup going. (See attorney Robert F. Kennedy Jr. articles including his investigation report regarding this) 

    Natural chelation therapies are helping my grandson tremendously, which seems to us very logical to pursue based on the fact that my grandson developed "Regressive Autism" immediately after his last batch of vaccines (9 given at once which is quite common actually so pay attention to what your doctor is doing to your child).  Like so many other thousands of families, we witnessed the demise of my grandson as a direct result of vaccines.  And yet the "official party line" expects us to believe that there is "no link between Vaccines and Autism"???  I have invested over a thousand hours of research regarding this in the last year, and by the EVIDENCE and FACTS, not only is there a link, but Vaccines are THE link.  The "powers that be" claim that there is "no control group of non-vaccinated for comparison", but they pretend that the Amish do not exist.  These people have refused vaccines due to their religion and Autism is non-existant in their community.  Does 1 + 1 still equal 2??? Yet, this is not considered a legitimate control group to make a comparitive study???  Of course not, because if they ever did the study, no one in their right mind would then ever allow these toxic vaccines to be injected into their innocent children!!!  And then how much MONEY would be lost to Big Pharma and Big Medicine???  The ALMIGHTY DOLLAR takes priority over the massive devastation of lives that they have created and more innocent children will be abandoned by them to the Lost World of Autism.

    As the Bible states: "For lack of knowledge the people perish" and "THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE".

    Posted by EVELYN GRADY on 01/14/2009 @ 04:23PM PT

  145. Kristina Chew

    @Evelyn Grady,
    The mention of diflucan was in the "biomedical treatments for children with autism" book by William Shaw in a discussion about detoxification. I hope to consider more of such books in future posts.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/14/2009 @ 04:36PM PT

  146. Les  Feldman

    This article contains the key to many cases of autism and should be read far and wide. This is the beginning of the paper including the abstract. The whole paper should be read and discussed.

    http://geriatrics.modernmedicine.com/geriatrics/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=575098&pageID=1&sk=&date=

    Older men are having children, but the reality of a male biological clock makes this trend worrisomeJan. 15, 2009
    By: Harry Fisch, MD
    Source: Geriatrics

    Dr Fisch is Professor of Clinical Urology, Department of Urology, Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University Medical Center, New York City. Disclosure: The author states that he has no financial relationship with any manufacturers in this area of medicine. ABSTRACT Couples are waiting longer to have children, and advances in reproductive technology are allowing older men and women to consider having children. The lack of appreciation among both medical professionals and the lay public for the reality of a male biological clock makes these trends worrisome. The age-related changes associated with the male biological clock affect sperm quality, fertility, hormone levels, libido, erectile function, and a host of non-reproductive physiological issues. This article focuses on the potentially adverse effects of the male biological clock on fertility in older men. Advanced paternal age increases the risk for spontaneous abortion as well as genetic abnormalities in offspring due to multiple factors, including DNA damage from abnormal apoptosis and reactive oxygen species. Increased paternal age is also associated with a decrease in semen volume, percentage of normal sperm, and sperm motility. Older men considering parenthood should have a thorough history and physical examination focused on their sexual and reproductive capacity. Such examination should entail disclosure of any sexual dysfunction and the use of medications, drugs, or lifestyle factors that might impair fertility or sexual response. Older men should also be counseled regarding the effects of paternal age on spermatogenesis and pregnancy. Fisch H. The aging male and his biological clock. Geriatrics. 2009;64(1):14-17. Keywords: apoptosis, hypogonadism, male biological clock, male infertility, paternal age, spermatogenesis, testosterone

    Posted by Les Feldman on 01/16/2009 @ 09:15PM PT

  147. Alyson Bradley

    As each new piece of research is mentioned, it always amazes me how many people seem to KNOW the causes of autism, whether that be vaccinations, older fathers, mercury or whatever. Why these people have not been feted by the medical establishment and given the Nobel prize is a mystery to me. No, really.

    I agree with these two quotes below from this thread, they may be about vaccines but apply as far as I am concerned to all research, until we know the cause real fact can we try and at least treat autistic people with respect and not as experiments, every time I mention me and my older son are on the autism spectrum I get looked and treated like a sub human!:
    " Posted by Phil Schwarz on 01/06/2009 -.... The pseudoscience and celebrity media-campaigns of those who misguidedly believe vaccines have anything to do with autism HINDER, not help, getting autistic people the appropriate *legitimate* medical care they deserve.  As do the charlatans who make money off the ensuing FUD -- fear, uncertainty, and doubt. " and

    "Posted by Kev Leitch on 01/04/2009 - ...the question: do vaccines cause autism is one of science. The ramblings of Dan Olmsted are not science. You find science here http://www.pubmed.gov.

    So far, despite over 10 years of looking, there is no science that evidences that vaccines, any component of vaccines or any vaccine schedule cause autism.

    Likewise, there is no science that establishes a correlation between gastric issues and autism. You and your friends on the Internet talking about it does not establish a correlation....."

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/18/2009 @ 03:12AM PT

  148. Robert  Adams

    Les, I'll try not to pollute the gene pool :-)

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/18/2009 @ 09:01AM PT

  149. Kerry Cohen

    EXACTLY my sentiments, Alyson. Thank you.

    Posted by Kerry Cohen on 01/18/2009 @ 09:35AM PT

  150. Lucien Beauley

    We have a fourty year old son with Autism and we love him and the information I found leaves me in question.

    Just a short excerpt from the link below.
    This article makes it simple...

    Why Don't the Amish Have Autistic Children?

    Autism is a difficult disorder to miss, as it is characterized by noticeably abnormal or impaired development in social interaction and communication and a markedly restricted array of activities and interests. And while scientific consensus claims autism has been around for millennia at generally the same prevalence, that prevalence is now considered to be one in every 166 children born in the United States.
    Therefore, with this devastating statistic in mind, one reporter set out to analyze the autism rates among Amish communities. Why? Because perhaps searching for autistic Amish children would reveal clues to the cause of autism ... and it did.
     http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2005/05/04/amish-autism-part-one.aspx

    Posted by Lucien Beauley on 01/24/2009 @ 06:56PM PT

  151. Robert  Adams

    Lucien, you might find the information in this link interesting about Mr. Olmstead's article and the Amish.  I found it interesting.

    http://autism-myths.org/2008/09/the-amish-anomaly/

    Posted by Robert Adams on 01/24/2009 @ 07:16PM PT

  152. Lucien Beauley

    Robert, I appreciate your time and concern, I have had some correspondents over 30 years ago with Dr Bernard Rimland who is now past on, but is the most knowledgeable on the subject in the world. His son of 52 years is Autistic. Are you the parent of one?  Therefore your authority to guide others in its origination, cause or any other aspect concerning its mysteries have a very low weight factor on enlightening the present  who have born any. Indoctrination has been able to change the minds of nations. I pray that this not be the case. Please visit this link at Dr Rimland's site. Thank you.
    Dr. Bernard Rimland
    http://www.unlockingautism.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=kiKTL8PMLrF&b=4343989&content_id=%7BEA94E15C-10EB-4C1F-BC89-FDE6C8017C84%7D&notoc=1

    Posted by Lucien Beauley on 01/25/2009 @ 11:18AM PT

  153. Alyson Bradley

    Another very interesting read, fad treatments are a huge earner:
    Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?
    http://neurodiversity.com/weblog/article/181/

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 01/25/2009 @ 01:48PM PT

  154. Elesia Ashkenazy

    Kristina, it was brave of you to share your story. I imagine it took a lot of courage to compose and I am guessing there was an amount of trepidation as you plugged along.

    @ all readers:

    After reading through the posts here, I see a myriad of views and understandings about autism. The passion coming from these shared ideas is especially strong. This subject is quite a hot potato.

    Like Donna Williams, I follow a strict diet. I eat organic, GFCF, sugar and caffeine free, plus I take a few supplements. This is all in place of medication, which is absolutely not an option for me (I'm one of those wacky organic movement raw food health nut drug company conspiracy people--sorry!). There is definitely a time and a place for medication though so please don't get me wrong. I, for one, used to be highly dependent on my monthly prescription.

    I find that I function better and am able to cope with the daily stresses of life when I stay on my diet--and especially so by avoiding caffeine and refined sugar, which would do everyone wonders. I also monitor my son's diet (he is autistic), but I am not as strict with him as he is only four years old. He is not able to tell me what makes a difference for him just yet. It would seem like a lot to request from a young child anyway, not to mention that it would take away from his right to just "be."

    For us, following a special diet and taking supplements is about being as healthy and functional as possible. One of my special interests is organic foods and so I am coming from a viewpoint of thinking all people would benefit from being able to eat food free of chemicals, pesticides, and additives, etc. I can get on a long tangent about the organic food movement and so I will save that hot potato topic for another blog.

    I suppose my point is that it's possible to be an autism advocate yet utilize what it meaningful and helpful. One shoe is not going to fit all. There is great room here for individuality. Autism advocates are not necessarily against seeking services or valuable therapies (like OT or speech) or eating a certain way.

    Sticky problems arise when the general focus is resting on "cures." This runs interference with autistic adults and children being recognized, validated, respected, and allowed to receive services and help that is critical in the here and now.

    Posted by Elesia Ashkenazy on 01/27/2009 @ 02:47PM PT

  155. John Max

    Kristina, your positions that I've read throughout the autism section of change.org make sense to me now.  I was completely confounded by how you could possibly ignore the pursuit of the cause of autism, but now I get it: you've given up.

    You've given up the fight, the effort, all the work and energy involved in figuring out what caused your son's autism.  You tried a whole lot of things - many things I also tried for my son - and none of them worked.  You burned out.  And now they only way you can move forward and maintain any sense of peace and sanity is to adopt a zen-like acceptance of it.

    I get it.  I really do.  It is so much work and energy trying to figure out why our children went from being normal, happy babies to unhappy, socially dysfunctional and non-communicative beings.  So much work.

    You gave up, and have accepted.

    Great.  I'm happy for you, if that works for you, and for your son.

    But don't sit there and tell the rest of us to give up, just because you have.  Chucking in the towel on finding a cause and a treatment was your path; it doesn't have to be everybody's.

    Autism has a cure.  There are many different manifestations of it, and not all of them have cures.  Yet.  But some of them do.  Particularly those that stem from environmental and medical poisoning.

    I think it is downright irresponsible for the management at change.org to put in charge of the autism forum somebody who has completely given up hope of finding a cure for autism.  While I accept that your positions of acceptance and focus on occupational therapy have their place; they are fringe positions.  They do not represent the agenda of most parents of autistic children.

    I truly hope the management at change.org recognizes the inappropriateness of having you as the forum moderator.  Your message of defeat is not the message autism-parents need.  Nor is it one that reflects reality.

    Posted by John Max on 01/27/2009 @ 10:00PM PT

  156. John Max

    Kristina, your positions that I've read throughout the autism section of change.org make sense to me now.  I was completely confounded by how you could possibly ignore the pursuit of the cause of autism, but now I get it: you've given up.

    You've given up the fight, the effort, all the work and energy involved in figuring out what caused your son's autism.  You tried a whole lot of things - many things I also tried for my son - and none of them worked.  You burned out.  And now they only way you can move forward and maintain any sense of peace and sanity is to adopt a zen-like acceptance of it.

    I get it.  I really do.  It is so much work and energy trying to figure out why our children went from being normal, happy babies to unhappy, socially dysfunctional and non-communicative beings.  So much work.

    You gave up, and have accepted.

    Great.  I'm happy for you, if that works for you, and for your son.

    But don't sit there and tell the rest of us to give up, just because you have.  Chucking in the towel on finding a cause and a treatment was your path; it doesn't have to be everybody's.

    Autism has a cure.  There are many different manifestations of it, and not all of them have cures.  Yet.  But some of them do.  Particularly those that stem from environmental and medical poisoning.

    I think it is downright irresponsible for the management at change.org to put in charge of the autism forum somebody who has completely given up hope of finding a cure for autism.  While I accept that your positions of acceptance and focus on occupational therapy have their place; they are fringe positions.  They do not represent the agenda of most parents of autistic children.

    I truly hope the management at change.org recognizes the inappropriateness of having you as the forum moderator.  Your message of defeat is not the message autism-parents need.  Nor is it one that reflects reality.

    Posted by John Max on 01/27/2009 @ 10:00PM PT

  157. Kristina Chew

    I had thought that when one talked about "defeating autism," one was talking about "Defeat Autism Now."

    The reality is in front of us, my fellow parent of an autistic child, and thank you so much for your words.

    Posted by Kristina Chew on 01/27/2009 @ 10:12PM PT

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  159. Elesia Ashkenazy

    @John Max:

    I was deeply saddened by your harsh message. It takes a lot of courage to share a personal experience like Kristina's. Creating a hostile environment serves no purpose other than to make Change.org toxic. I don't think any of us would like to see that happen.

    From what I gathered, Kristina did not "give up" on her son Charlie. She chose to view his needs in a different light. She has changed her approach, not given up. Part of Kristina's purpose in being here is to share her experience with autism. As readers, we may agree or disagree with certain posts, but it is quite obvious that Change.org is a much different environment than Autism Speaks, DAN!, or Autism Society of America.

    John, you wrote above:



    That statement could easily be applied to you if the word "defeat" were to be changed to "anger." Kristina's message is a reality because Change.org exists and so does true autism advocacy. We are a real entity deserving of attention and needing to be heard.

    Autism advocacy is about gaining appropriate services for adults, placing autistic adults in positions of power, creating respect for individuality, and focusing on what autistics need in the here and now. There is nothing evil or bad about these requests. They are sound and valid, as well as in great need. Autistics have a right to a voice. And yes, so do parents of autistics.

    Obviously opinions will differ. That's just going to have to be okay. We're here. So are you. Listen, I'm not a National Rifle Association (NRA) fan, but I'm not going to waste my time busting down their doors and stamping my feet. But I would sign petitions that came my way, place votes, or blog about NRA on sites that matched my views.

    That said, I would like to extend all my best to you and I wish you a path of success, whatever that may be. Take care.

    Posted by Elesia Ashkenazy on 01/28/2009 @ 06:25PM PT

  160. Elesia Ashkenazy

    @John Max:

    I was deeply saddened by your harsh message. It takes a lot of courage to share a personal experience like Kristina's. Creating a hostile environment serves no purpose other than to make Change.org toxic. I don't think any of us would like to see that happen.

    From what I gathered, Kristina did not "give up" on her son Charlie. She chose to view his needs in a different light. She has changed her approach, not given up. Part of Kristina's purpose in being here is to share her experience with autism. As readers, we may agree or disagree with certain posts, but it is quite obvious that Change.org is a much different environment than Autism Speaks, DAN!, or Autism Society of America.

    John, you wrote above:



    That statement could easily be applied to you if the word "defeat" were to be changed to "anger." Kristina's message is a reality because Change.org exists and so does true autism advocacy. We are a real entity deserving of attention and needing to be heard.

    Autism advocacy is about gaining appropriate services for adults, placing autistic adults in positions of power, creating respect for individuality, and focusing on what autistics need in the here and now. There is nothing evil or bad about these requests. They are sound and valid, as well as in great need. Autistics have a right to a voice. And yes, so do parents of autistics.

    Obviously opinions will differ. That's just going to have to be okay. We're here. So are you. Listen, I'm not a National Rifle Association (NRA) fan, but I'm not going to waste my time busting down their doors and stamping my feet. But I would sign petitions that came my way, place votes, or blog about NRA on sites that matched my views.

    That said, I would like to extend all my best to you and I wish you a path of success, whatever that may be. Take care.

    Posted by Elesia Ashkenazy on 01/28/2009 @ 06:25PM PT

  161. Elesia Ashkenazy

    Oops! Here is John's sentence I meant to clip:

    "Your message of defeat is not the message autism-parents need.  Nor is it one that reflects reality."

    That statement could easily be applied to you if the word "defeat" were to be changed to "anger." Kristina's message is a reality because Change.org exists and so does true autism advocacy. We are a real entity deserving of attention and needing to be heard.


    Posted by Elesia Ashkenazy on 01/28/2009 @ 06:30PM PT

  162. Kerry Cohen

    Elesia, thank you. John Max's hurtful, harmful message has been sitting in my craw since I saw it this morning. I've been afraid to write anything, for fear of my own anger making my sentiment ineffectual. I am writing this simply to second what Elesia wrote, and to add that one of the more dangerous issues autistic people, and the people who love them, face is most of our culture's inability to think outside the lines. There is no such thing as something different for these people, only something bad because it looks unfamiliar. When you see it this way, as stuck inside these tight, neurocentric lines, it makes sense to only be able to think of our behavior and beliefs as "giving up."

    Posted by Kerry Cohen on 01/28/2009 @ 06:42PM PT

  163. Steve Schmill

    Hey there, I'd just like to let some of you out there know that some of the methods out there do help some kids that have been labelled as autistic. My daughter, who had started speaking around nine months of age, had fallen silent by age 2 and a half and would no longer make eye contact - she was diagnosed with autism. When we took her off of dairy/cassein and wheat/gluten a month or so after the diagnosis after reading some articles (what did we have to lose?), she started speaking again within two and half weeks, and other conditions she had developed disappeared as well. I think there are multiple causes of spectrum disorders, and so the diet is not going to help every child, but to rule it out without trying it is a mistake. Some people don't want to bother trying the gfcf diet because it is difficult to switch eating habits (and more expensive), but the potential reward of getting your child back is worth the effort. We also learned that I also have an intolerance to wheat and dairy in the process, and many of my own anti-social tendencies disappeared within months. Do yourself a favor and at least try the diet out for a few months.

    Posted by Steve Schmill on 06/11/2009 @ 11:42AM PT

  164. Elesia Ashkenazy

    I am GFCF and so is my son. I never took on this diet thinking that it would *cure* either my son or me. And I've never been to a DAN! doctor. 

    The reason I am GFCF is because I feel better when I stick to this way of eating.

    In our case, neither my son nor me have changed--as far as autism goes. We're both still definitely on the spectrum. The only thing that causes a slight beneficial change in my behavior is to cut out sugar and caffeine, which are near deadly to my system. 

    Posted by Elesia Ashkenazy on 06/11/2009 @ 02:24PM PT

  165. Alyson Bradley

    Elesia I so agree with you, I have been on all sorts of diets of course at the time if a good diet you feel better, and I know many people on or off the autism spectrum who are on the GFCF diet, some have to be and some do not, of course individuals may benefit from there diets on or off the autism spectrum. But no diet changes who we are, every child grows adapts and changes, whatever you do or do not do, privileged or not... just like medication a choice!

    Posted by Alyson Bradley on 06/11/2009 @ 03:07PM PT

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Kristina is a Classics professor in Jersey City, New Jersey, a blogger (formerly at AutismVox), a translator (of Virgil), and an advocate every day for her son, Charlie.

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